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Literature in Dark Tranquillity

Discussion in 'Dark Tranquillity' started by King Chaos, Jun 8, 2006.

  1. King Chaos

    King Chaos Pomeo Osoponeor

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    Here's my yearly pitiful attempt to start an 'on topic' thread...

    I'm wondering what literature you've found referenced or have been reminded of by Dark Tranquillity songs; be it the atmosphere of the song, the lyrics, or maybe just the way some parts are phrased that reminds you of a book, story or author's output.

    It might be that DT have never taken inspiration directly from literature, in which case, this topic's pretty futile, but I'm still interested to see where you can find or have found historic literary elements to the influence of DT's lyrics and song writting.




    I'll kick this shit off...

    So far I'm pretty convinced Nightfall by the Shore of Time has something to do with Isaac Asimov's short story entitled 'Nightfall' (the plot as short as I can tell it is: There's this plannet with a number of suns, and a bunch of dudes sit and discuss astronomy in this big observation tower. What is upon them is the first nightfall of their race's existence, and it comes only once every million or so years (because the way the suns move and align) but with it there's anarchy and fear, as they are literally to be left with no light but the light of distant stars. It also explores man's irrational fear of darkness.)...

    DT lyrics have always seemed over loaded with nice sounding, but pretty meaningless metaphors, in my opinion, and this song is no different. However some sections do remind me of that short story... such as:

    Like the dark to a dying flame;
    Sweepingly embracing it's grieving remains
    Defiantly blazing the black that awaits
    Counting the days 'till the new Age awaits.


    The reason this reminds me of it is the morbid lexical set used in congruence to the subject of darkness: "dying", "grieving" and "black" (being semantically funeral related), and also this idea of the 'New Age Awaits', which sums up the feel of the short story... Knowing that with the darkness death will come and a new age of suffering will arrive. It's almost as if that verse was written for the socio historical context of Asimov's tale.

    Another thing that makes me think the song and the story are associated is the artwork behind the lyrics in the skydancer re-issue which sundin has redone and put on sale in his cabinfever collection. The image depicts an island with architecturally odd looking, slightly medieval, yet definately fantasy influenced buildings on it's shore. One tall tower in the center of the cluster looks alot like the building described in the short story. The title of the artwork is also 'Nightfall'... *shrugs* maybe it's all a coincidence.

    Right, if this shit bores you, which it might, let it sink. But I'm hoping you're all gonna fire out loads of obscure and intesting observations similar to my Nightfall one. Have at it!
     
  2. Keyy

    Keyy InSaNiTy'S CrEsCeNdO

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    Coll thread! Too bad my literature knowledge sucks, but i'll enjoy reading what the other have to say ^^
     
  3. King Chaos

    King Chaos Pomeo Osoponeor

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    Thanks key, I'll enjoy it too. :p


    Right, how about connections between Format C for Cortex and Chuck Palahniuk's Fightclub? Granted DT could have been influenced by the film more than the novel, as I think the film came out the year before DD was released... not sure though.

    Anyway, both share the key theme of the destruction or abandonment of material posession... and there's even a scene in fight club where they make computers into bombs. I had a freind (used to drum in my band) who I lent fight club on vhs to, he watched it, and got kinda bumbed out. Then some time soon after that he was reading the lyrics of format C for Cortex and he got angered and smashed the shit out of his computer hard drive. That's a true story! DT made him do it.
     
  4. RampageSword

    RampageSword AWARE! BEWARE! WAR!

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    Highly interesting subject. I'll try and gather the time to reply thoroughly this weekend.
     
  5. Keyy

    Keyy InSaNiTy'S CrEsCeNdO

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    Ahah, sounds like a tv infomercial!
    It's true! DT made him do it. Try it buddy, and you'll get real results! Yes! It's real! DT made him do it. Remember, DT made him do it!

    ahha ok, nevermind, it was pretty random ^^ Back to the topic
     
  6. King Chaos

    King Chaos Pomeo Osoponeor

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    :danceboy: Quite.

    Hey Rampy, thought of owt good yet?
     
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    Keyy InSaNiTy'S CrEsCeNdO

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    The mind's eye -the title only- reminds me of a sentence of Hamlet, when in the beginning Hamlet says to Oratio the he has seen his father, Oratio asks him where, and Hamlet says "in my mind's eye". That's something that everytime i read the song's title comes up in my mind, but probably is a pretty poor thing respect what the thread was looking for.
     
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    More or less. I'm so caught up with work, improv, theater and friends nowadays that I can hardly find any time to think straight. I really want to give you guys my word on this subject I just can't find enough freakin' time...Soon, I hope.
     
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    Its Horatio.
     
  10. King Chaos

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    Hey, that's a pretty good one. Anything little or tall you've noticed is interesting to me.
     
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    The lyrics of Lethe, reminds me of a poem by Baudelaire, le Léthé...
    I asked but it seems that it's not directly inspired from it....
    Beautiful lyrics though... and if we try to translate le Léthé, it could be Lethe's lyrics.... Weird hehe!
     
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    Senses Ties is about epistemological and linguistic failure, based on the lack of a metaphysical common ground in the communication. If you fail to understand what I just said, then it's the desired effect.
     
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    Keyy InSaNiTy'S CrEsCeNdO

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    Whatever :p
     
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    :D

    On topic, Im still thinking, but I havent come up with anything yet, so Ill just spam here for a while. :p
     
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    Could it be possible that the answer to the ancient Mind's Eye riddle (originally given by Mikael about the origin of the Mind's I samples) should be sought in Hamlet. I have read Hamlet some years ago but i can't really remember anyone saying anything about "sustaining serious damage" and i can't see the connection between Hamlet and Jesus but this will haunt me as long as i draw breath :)
     
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    Well, wouldn't that depend also in which story of Jesus do you believe in? I mean, the Bible goes by interpretation, so we could have one in which Jesus freaks out because think that his spouse is cheating on him, while instead the bastard one is the best friend. Now that all the Da Vinci code shit has come out, who knows, maybe Shackespare actually new his own version of the story, and wrote it in Hamlet indeed. Isn't it funny how things can change when we don't know them excactly?
     
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    Kathleen23: i totally agree with you about links between "le lethé" and "lethe". baudelaire speaks about his lost love and a little bit about suicide (but i'm not really sure) and some of his sentences and the way they are written reminds of DT's song. but dt lyrics are really much violent because they use strong words, very concrete, whereas baudelaire does more metaphore like every poets. but there are a lot of similar things !
     
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    that's not really the point, maybe looking at this thread will explain what i am talking about

    http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201672&highlight=the+mind's+eye
     
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    Of course. I agree too, I didn't say it was directly translate from it. But I guess Niklas was inspired from it, but I asked him and he doesn't remember if the song itself is inspired from Baudelaire's poem. I guess they didn't want that song to sound like their interpretation of Baudelaire's poem, or maybe yes... Well... we don't know haha!
    It's a great poem and it is also a great song!
    The poem is violent in a certain way too...

    Viens sur mon cœur, âme cruelle et sourde,
    Tigre adoré, monstre aux airs indolents ;
    Je veux longtemps plonger mes doigts tremblants
    Dans l'épaisseur de ta crinière lourde ;


    Dans tes jupons remplis de ton parfum
    Ensevelir ma tête endolorie,
    Et respirer, comme une fleur flétrie,
    Le doux relent de mon amour défunt.



    Je veux dormir ! dormir plutôt que vivre !
    Dans un sommeil, douteux comme la mort,
    J'étalerai mes baisers sans remord
    Sur ton beau corps poli comme le cuivre.


    Pour engloutir mes sanglots apaisés -
    Rien ne me vaut l'abîme de ta couche ;
    L'oubli puissant habite sur ta bouche,
    Et le Léthé coule dans tes baisers.


    A mon destin, désormais mon délice,
    J'obéirai comme un prédestiné ;
    Martyr docile, innocent condamné,
    Dont la ferveur attise le supplice,


    Je sucerai, pour noyer ma rancœur,
    Le népenthès et la bonne ciguë
    Aux bouts charmants de cette gorge aiguë
    Qui n'a jamais emprisonné de cœur.

     
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    indeed they are very close to each other!
     

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