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Discussion in 'Nevermore' started by -Syl-, Sep 18, 2009.
Just heard about that. Will definitely be going.
From everything I heard from this album being check my brain (obviously with all the radio spammage), A looking in View, and the title track, it sounds alright but it's not anything as powerful as the shit they were putting out with Layne. And what the fuck is up with the new black guy trying to look like Lenny Kravitz's bitch in the acoustic gig? And Jerry doesn't really show all that much emotion during the song that really struck me. Definitely better than anything else being dished out today on mainstream rock, but still... Nobody can compete with the writing abilities of their 18-year old counterparts. Nobody.
1.Check My Brain and Looking In View aren't the better songs on the album.
2.Who the fuck cares what he looks like? If you never knew Layne died and heard William on the album you wouldn't know the difference.
3.Doesn't show emotion? Do you want him to squeeze his eyes and cry? He already had a panic attack recording the damn thing.
4.Jerry Cantrell was 18 in 1984 if I'm not mistaken. That was his peak? Do any songwriters peak at 18? Isn't TGE your favorite Nevermore album?
You'd be right on all four points, but I still firmly believe that the crux for most musicians lives in terms of deciding on doing it for a living happens mostly around the age of 18, personal experience notwithstanding. Pantera started when dime was 16, yes it was shitty hair metal, but hey, that kid still played a mean guitar at that age. Metallica were 18 (mostly) when KEA was recorded. It makes sense. You're just young and full of vigor but at the same time have enough experience living to see how much shit the world is filled with. There's that perfect balance between juvenile naiveness and wonder clashing with the looming inevitable onset of adulthood's pragmatism and minimalist approach to everything. Sounds like the perfect concoction for quality artistic inspiration... But what do I know, I'm only 18 myself haha.
You're saying that Kill 'Em All had good songwriting? Srsly? If you consider, "let's get drunk, get laid, and bang our heads" good songwriting then you'd be correct.
The difference between mature musicians and 18 year-olds is that mature musicians can convey more than one emotion. If you're the type of person who yells "Slaaaaaayyyyeeeeeerrrrr!!!" at a concert then you probably wouldn't understand.
You know there's an easier way to say that, right?
When you're young, you're stupid and arrogant. When you get older you become wiser but then get grouchy.
Having a good vocabulary also means knowing when not to use it.
I'd call it a middling vocabulary, at best. Also, he'd benefit greatly from some time in paragraph school.
Well...thanks for saying that at least. You're not such a bad guy I shouldn't have you blocked.
DW man I've been practicing the song and...something just doesn't seem right. I'm in Eb, it's the first chord really. Instead of starting on 7 I feel like it should be 9.
I mean, my ears are really bad and it's hard to hear the guitar over the piano. I dunno.
Actually now that I looked over your tab again I think I was doing the first chord in the wrong spot completely. I need to bring my guitar in here to look at it when everyone is awake. I was trying to go by memory.
There's so much stuff I could type about the show last night, and maybe I will get to it eventually, but just in case I don't I need to make sure to share the most magical part of the evening.
Halfway through the set, the entire band leaves the stage and all the lights in the venue are off. After a minute or so one single spotlight flashes on and it's just Jerry sitting there on a barstool with his acoustic guitar. He played Black Gives Way to Blue all by himself and it was amazing. It was perfect. Absolutely perfect. Tve very instant he finished the song, he basically dropped his guitar back into it's stand and stood up, knocking over the barstool and rushed off the stage. He didn't even acknowledge the insane applause, he just bailed off stage as fast as he could. At this point, the rest of the band starts coming out and after a second Jerry walks back to the stage and William went over to him and gave a huge hug and pat him on the back, congratulating him on that performance. But there was more meaning to it than that, than just pulling off a good performance. It's rather hard to describe but you could feel it for sure.
It was painfully obvious how difficult it was for Jerry to play that song, but he did it perfectly. It was a very touching moment.
I've seen two of the greatest shows of my life this week. Awesome.
Well you're probably right. There's something that just doesn't sit right with me either about that first chord, but it's as close as I could find. I thought it might be barred all the way down with the index finger but it sounded even more off.
Lemme know if you discover something because it's far from perfect. It was just a rough draft.
EDIT: I tried it again and I really think it's just a closed power chord like that. It seems a bit too simple but Jerry's known for squeezing maximum feeling out of minimal notes. You also have to remember that there are TWO guitars in that song; one is just strumming the chords and Jerry's fingerpicking the notes which you can see here:
EDIT #2: And I was wrong...it's not D minor, it's D major. Also I messed up another part. During "Forcing all goodbyyyyyyyeeeees," he moves to
and then back to D major.
I can imagine. If the song can bring tears to my eyes playing it I can only imagine what Jerry's feeling.
But Metallica were never really a band where you'd be reveling at how deep their lyrics were after listening at any point in their careers. KEA was the epitome of what they became because it had that gritty rawness in the production as well as the unyielding precision in performance that came along with thrash. What else would you ever need from these kindsa tunes? They had epic in there (phantom lord, no remorse, the four horsemen), and then they went balls out thrash with the rest of the album. Anything else would've been detrimental to its stature in my opinion.
This might have been a bad example in retrospect to AiC. Don't get me wrong, it's GOOD material they're putting out, but can one really go as far as saying that these works would fit and belong into an album as epic as Dirt or Jar of Flies?
edit: I'm listening to Acid Bubble right now. I take back everything I said. This gave me goosebumps. Fuck. Alice in Chains is back.
Wow... that was incredible. Great voice and emotion.
I got it learned man, thanks. I'm gonna try to put up a video singing and playing it this weekend.
listened to it a few times, meh.
I'm out there somewhere
Its a game of Where's Kevin?
No, I honestly don't know where I was when this was taken. We examined the show from a few different vantage points.
According to Hits Daily Double, the companion web site of music industry tip sheet HITS, ALICE IN CHAINS's first all-new album in 14 years, titled "Black Gives Way To Blue", is on track to sell between 130,000 and 140,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release. The CD will likely land in the Top 5 of next week's The Billboard 200 chart, behind latest albums from PARAMORE, MARIAH CAREY, BARBRA STREISAND and BREAKING BENJAMIN.
All I can say is Holy Shit this is a killer album. I have been listening to it all day non stop. Just repeating it on my Ipod. I just can't get over how great it is. And I swear I hear Layne in there. Album of the year!