lol, christ, Chill out there before you give yourself a heart attack. It's just as easy to be ignorant towords black metal face paint and image as to Slipknots, but obviously you don't see that. Unlike having my foot in my mouth you've got your head up your arse. Would it make any difference if Slipknot used for technicallity for the sake of using it? No, it wouldn't. It would sound worse. They have shown thier "talent" and that they can play thier instruments at various points throughout thier existence. They even added solos to thier new stuff, it shut a lot of people up, but you can't please everyone, can you? Money doesn't go far between 9 members of a band, and they've been known to get jobs after touring to support themselves. Heh, if you want, you could say a band like Amen who use power chords constantly are mainstream, but they are thousands of dollars in debt and steal food to live. Mainstream means nothing, is being mainstream that important to people here? It's as if your shit if your mainstream, but of a silly logic. Not a lot of metal bands have decent lyrics in the first place. We could listen to Blind Guardian sing about dragons and swords in the wind, but what it mean? As far as I'm concerned, if someone can make it playing a guitar, they must have something going for themselves, even if they don't show it in thier music. "Good" music rarely depends on raw talent. It depends on a lot of things. Really, are the lot of ya just bitter about the mainstream or what?