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New Symphony X album Underworld in July!!!!

Discussion in 'ProgPower USA' started by dtfanatic, May 18, 2015.

  1. The Invisible Guest

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    I responded about how being ignored is a pet peeve of mine after noticing that you were ignoring Metulhead. He asked a simple question of you on at least two occasions, but you kept skipping over it. That's all I commented on.


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    Sorry Britt but I answered him after the first time he asked and he kept posting the question over and over and then set up the rules of the discussion moving forward...
     
  3. Liquid Tension

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    Why???

    Since I certainly don't feel like he's capable of doing this and even you don't think he can...
     
  4. MeTuLHeD

    MeTuLHeD A Member To Remember

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    When did he say that???

    I'm really a nice cuddly teddy bear of a guy. Ask any of my friends.
     
  5. J-Dubya 777

    J-Dubya 777 It NEVER ends

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    Nor are you an elitist snob asshole..... This whole thing reminds me of the public lashings I got for not getting PoS... :Spin: I got the popcorn, and your back

    :popcorn: :Smokedev:
     
  6. MeTuLHeD

    MeTuLHeD A Member To Remember

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    Well...I can be an elitist. And I'm not going to lie...the asshole in me does come out to play on occasion. But definitely NOT a snob. :lol:

    Extra butter please. For the midgets.
     
  7. J-Dubya 777

    J-Dubya 777 It NEVER ends

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    But that's why we get along so well!

    Buttered midgets in Tapioca....Is that like Larks Tongue In Aspic? :devil:
     
  8. MeTuLHeD

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    Stop. You'll make me want to break out my t-shirt.

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    And no FYI it is NOT tucked in.
     
  9. MelbCro

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    To be fair the guy didn't ignore him. I'm looking back on page 4 and the first time the guy asked the question he answered he felt it was more power than prog. Then for some reason Metulhead decides to ask the same question he got answered a bunch more times.
     
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    Interesting about how prog metal is a broad and deep genre given that last year you argued the opposite, stating that bands like Mastodon and Cynic aren't prog. Honestly dude, who cares. When I hear Symphony X I hear way too much power metal for my liking as well. Big deal.
     
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    Angry Emo!!! Russ style

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    Shit, ya beat me to the counter punch line on that one! :lol:


    Hah! Brilliant!
     
  13. MeTuLHeD

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    And I still feel that way. Nothing has changed. Mastodon's most recent output has little to nothing about it that I personally would label prog. I don't remember discussing Cynic to be honest. They are pretty technical, which certainly places them in the broader prog landscape imo. Tech thrash is the term most people use to describe their sound. To me, that is a pretty close cousin to prog music.

    Prog music IS very broad and deep. I'd say there's a pretty broad range between bands like Riverside, Magic Pie, Fates Warning, Haken and Dream Theater. Wouldn't you agree? Yet all of them fall within the general scope of progressive music. And by the way, I don't necessarily LIKE all of those bands. But I do agree that they fall into the general category of progressive music.

    It's pretty simple really. I believe prog has a certain level of musical complexity to it. Otherwise, it isn't really prog. When you go back to the 70's, to the bands who really pioneered this stuff, they stood apart from other rock bands because of the complexity and sophistication of their musical arrangements. That's how the term 'prog rock' was coined in the first place. Bands like Yes, ELP, etc stood out from other rock bands of their era because they played music that was on another level of technicality musically. Critics even dismissed their music as 'pretentious' and 'boring' and 'noodling' because of the long complex instrumental interludes. So people came up with a label which they felt was descriptive of that musical difference...progressive rock. I stand by that definition.

    Others here, of course, disagree. And that is their right. But their arguments break down when you ask them to describe specifically what prog means to them. Many respond that a band is 'progressing' when they change up their sound from one disc to the next. If that were the criteria, then Metallica playing an unplugged disc would be 'prog'. Which is silly. At least that's how I see it.

    When it comes to Symphony X, as I stated before, their sound has changed dramatically. For example, they have almost entirely dropped the neo-classical (think Yngwie) sound which was so prominent in their early material. That factor alone has greatly changed their sound...and turned off a number of former fans. But I still contend that they write songs which are highly technical musically. Just ask any guitar player and they will tell you that is a fiendishly complex riff he is playing in 'Nevermore'. Let's put it this way; if Cynic is prog then Symphony X certainly is.

    All I'm really trying to say is that labels matter. You can't just label a band 'prog' because you like their sound, otherwise the term 'prog' loses all meaning as a descriptor of musical style. Like I said before, Rascal Flatts is NOT prog. You can slap a water label on a bottle of alcohol, but it won't change the content.
     
  14. MeTuLHeD

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    Obviously, a lot of people care. That's why they post on countless message boards like this about the music they love. It's also why they get so "passionate" in those discussions. This thread alone proves that there are strong feelings which accompany this music. If you didn't care at all, you wouldn't be posting here. Or calling me names. :)

    However, taken alongside the larger picture of global hunger and Isis militants displacing millions of refugees, all of this is pretty petty stuff.
     
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    I definitely would enjoy hearing more of Pinnella on the recent albums. I was listening to the 'Nevermore' song again this morning, and I kept thinking how even more awesome it would sound with more of the typical prog-keyboard-noodling on it.
     
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    Herein lies the challenge of using prog as a genre descriptor, as it is an incredibly diverse and wide ranging category, far more so than any other genre of metal. If someone refers to a band as power metal, you have a general idea what you are going to hear. (Sure, there's symphonic power, female fronted power (no offense to Floor!), melodic power etc but overall it's fairly consistent in it's basis). Cynic and Mastodoon are arguably MORE progressive than Symphony X in many ways, but they are relegated to a subgrenre offshoot of prog metal as they don't maintain the same characteristics at their core as the other bands you mention, yet still fall into a prog hierarchy despite not sounding anything like bands like DT or Fates Warning.

    Symphony X has always incorporated styles from multiple genres (neo-classical, power metal, prog metal) and melded into a beautiful amalgamation of all of them. Iconoclast is certainly HEAVIER than DWOT or V, and comes with a very different approach to the music, but it still incorporates the influences from all the categories mentioned above, while upping the METAL factor a bit. I am certain there will be some basic metal tracks ala "Bastard of the Machine", some homages to classic neo-classicalism ala "Out of the Ashes", and probably at least one sweeping majestic proggy piece ala "Communion and the Oracle" on the new disc. It's that cross-dimensional variety that makes SX what they are.

    I always hate these damn genre arguments, as they devolve each and every time into the same age-old debate. Honestly, I thought the Mean Deviation article summed it up best with the Progressive versus progressive piece. A band can firmly fall into one category without falling into the other. Mastodon and DT can really fit into the first pretty squarely without falling into the latter as of late. (Both are Progrssive, but haven't done anything progressive in several years.....)

    But hey...... At the end of the day, this whole thread started about a single SX song, which I think is a pretty kick butt tune, and cannot wait to hear the whole album in six weeks. If you don't care for Angry Russ, then its a good thing that there are no shortage of other bands out there to provide musical entertainment. If you can accept his current style, then dig in and enjoy what promises to be another brilliant album.
     
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    Could you point me to a song by Mastodon...your choice...which you consider to be prog? I'd like to hear it.


    I don't hate the debate. But one thing is certain. It does generate more heat than light.

    Agreed. Greatly looking forward to it. Pretty sure I'm gonna love it as long as they don't go all Adrenalin Mob on me. /me ducks incoming hate
     
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    Interesting stuff. Not my cup of tea really. But definitely interesting. I do hear strong prog elements in the songs 'The Last Baron', 'Hearts Alive' and 'Sleeping Giant'. More than a little Rush influence coming in here and there. Doesn't really trip my trigger enough to make me want to run out and part with my hard earned money. But I can definitely see how they would be considered prog based on this music. Odd. Because the material I heard, which must have been pretty recent...say in the last year, was not proggy at all to my ears. Have they changed up/dumbed down their sound to some degree?
     
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    Major dislike for Adrenalin Mob here, their covers are better than their songs. Bring on the hate! :heh:
     

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