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Nightwish with Floor--Live Reviews

Discussion in 'ProgPower USA' started by Visa Guy, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. Visa Guy

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    PPUSA's Visa Guy here. Saw NW in San Francisco last night and thought I would give my review of it given the "new vocalist" situation and start a thread (my first ever) that specifically deals with live reviews. I admit that I do hope the band itself reads this thread in making its considerations and decisions as to their future options, etc.

    This also comes on the heels of my having seen NW both nights at PPUSA XIII this year. I do not mean to "bash" or "attack" any previous singer.

    All I can say about the show last night is that I am truly and deeply sorry that each of you did not get to see NW with Floor. The the NW triumph of PPUSA XIII was that we got to see the last shows with Annette--a then-unknown close of that chapter of the band. The tragedy is that we did not get to see NW with Floor.

    I saw NW with Tarja 2x (once at PPUSA) and with Annette 4x (2 at this year's PPUSA). Tarja had "the voice" and no one will be able to replicate that or sing the NW songs just the way she did. Her stage presence was powerful, commanding and larger than life but she came across as aloof, distinct and even distant from the rest of the band and the audience. Don't get me wrong, I loved the shows with Tarja and they were AMAZING. In my opinion, Annette had a mediocre voice at best--though I thought she was a lot better at PPUSA this year than she had been the previous times I had seen her during the Dark Passion Play tour. Her stage presence, however, was a joke. Her stage presence reminded me of an 8 year old girl performing on Star Search (for those of us old enough to remember that show) who was going through the forced motions her mom had told her would endear her to the adult audience. She was awkward. I will say that at PPUSA I thought the band seemed to be having fun and it seemed that everything was fine in their camp. However, after seeing them last night, I can now so obviously see what the band was lacking during the Annette years.

    Floor was EVERYTHING Annette wasn't--and a lot of what Tarja wasn't either. Her voice was amazing. She could hit the high notes that made her perfect for the Tarja-era songs and just gave t he Annette-era songs more life and dynamics than Annete could ever have dreamed of doing live. In doing the Tarja-era songs, Floor was not a Tarja clone or even trying to be--she could just hit the high notes in her own voice and style. I actually got chills during Dark Chest of Wonders and a few other songs when she just nailed the high notes in a clear and pristine voice that just cut through all of the other noise of the band and the crowd. (My only complaint was that they did not do Ghost Love Song which I have been desperately waiting to hear done right since the Tarja days.) When she lowered the tone, e.g., Slow. Love, Slow and the slowed-down Nemo, it was hypnotizing and sensual. This was only Floor's 3rd show with the band and I did feel that she was somewhat restraining herself at times--I assume as she continues to work with the new-to-her material, remembering the lyrics and finding where and how she wants to best use tones and inflections, etc. My wife read on Floor's blog that she has been fighting a cold and there were times when you could tell that her throat was "tickling", etc., and she would grab a drink of water and rub her throat mildly. There were a very few times it appeared she didn't quite remember the lyrics for a split-second only. I do not raise these as complaints in any way; only to say that her voice and performace was amazing despite these things and I would love to see NW near the last shows of this tour after Floor was comfortable and knowledgeable about the material and she was just operating on instinct and not thinking as much as I have to assume she is now. Hard to believe that it could be better than last night but I bet it would be.

    As to stage presence, Floor was it. As I stood in the crowd with my beautiful and loving wife, I would have given it all up to run away with Floor (not really). She was beautiful, seductive, sensual and sexy at the same time as she was powerful, commanding and compelling. She was strutting the stage and swinging/swaggering with confidence and made the moves of a "female metal" singer/frontwoman. She was doing the head/hair "swirl", swinging her head and hair from side to side and just being sexy as Hell the whole show. Her interaction with the band was easy and natural. She came across as open and approachable and there was none of the aloofness, etc., of Tarja. She was intimate with the audience. During her brief statements about how she felt about being able to sing with NW, she was sincere and appeared gracious and even amazed to be there.

    As for the band, they had an ease and an energy I never would have thought missing at PPUSA until I saw them last night. They were joking around and screwing around amongst themselves during the entire show--both during songs as well as during breaks between songs. There was an "extra spring in their step."

    Despite a packed house, I did not hear a single word, action or attitude that indicated that anyone missed Annette or was disappointed she was not there. The crowd fully embraced Floor from the first song and all I heard post-show from the crowd was how amazing the show was.

    In the end, Floor is the perfect vocalist/frontwoman for NW. If there is any way this can become a permanent roster for the band, I cannot help but think that they will become even bigger than they already are.

    Obviously, my clear recommendation is that if you have the chance to see NW with Floor, do it. Do whatever you can. Run, don't walk. You will be glad you did.
     
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    I really appreciated that detailed review. Thanks for writing it. I really really hope they consider keeping her (assuming she even wants to work with them). It just makes so much sense in so many ways.
     
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    Reading that was spine-tingling. I hope I get my chance to see Nightwish+Floor.
     
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    Ditto. Your feelings seem to be the overwhelming majority even on the Nightwish official forum where the emotionally attached people tend to post. A few still prefer Anette, but not many.
     
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    Final thoughts on Nightwish: Floor had a rocky start, stumbling over lyrics of the first two songs. She seemed stiff and unsure of herself, but she was definitely on. As the night progressed she got a lot stronger and really, REALLY shined on the Once and Century Child material. It wasn't operatic like Tarja but it sounded similar, and great. There were a few tracks off Imaginarium that sounded like they were using Annette's backing vocal track, which was very odd with Floors singing. They definitely do not sound similar. Floor did really great with the DPP Stuff but IMO was pretty weak with the newest material. I don't think she really knows what to do with it yet. I think if she finds that groove and confidence to take it over she will be fantastic.

    I also didn't see her as a potential front runner as permanent singer for the band until Last Ride Of The Day, the last song. It seemed like she had finally let her hair down and shed the idea of being a guest singer. With all of the hoopla I had heard I'd expected her to take control of the stage and audience. She really didn't ever do that, but I imagine this was a bigger venue than either Portland or Seattle. Rest of the band was more relaxed and energetic than at ProgPower. I'm glad I was able to see both iterations, with Floor and Annette. I thought Annette did a better job personally, but if Floor continues, I am certainly willing to revisit that notion.

    I was at the same show, btw.
     
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    Great review - would love to see Floor with NW - I did get to see her at ProgPower - and she is an amazing presence on stage!
     
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    Thanks for the review! I've always compared Floor to being a female Russell Allen, so I'm stoked to see her with NW if she sticks around. I'm willing to bet the farm that she will! I honestly don't think the band needs to consider anyone else for the job. In addition, I bet her tradeoff vocals with Marcos would be killer live and in the studio! Maybe they'll start playing some Century Child tunes live again, which is my favorite album by them.

    ~Brian~
     
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    Thanks for your important work here.

    Your detailed review is much appreciated too and made us feel like we were there. I'm definitely jealous.
     
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    I've always liked Floor's voice - and her "clout" doubled when I heard her at PPUSA during the all star jam nailing the Heart tune!
     
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    [I've always liked Floor's voice - and her "clout" doubled when I heard her at PPUSA during the all star jam nailing the Heart tune!]

    I remember that performance more than anything else I ever saw or heard Floor do--until last night--and it was spectacular.
     
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    The venue they used in Portland has a tiny stage. Kamelot looked really cramped up there in front of NW's gear.
     
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    Yah, Kamelot definitely had a LOT of room in SF. The Warfield is a gorgeous theater and a really big stage, it's built clearly, for play production. I think she might've had some nerves for the size of the audience here, and after reading her blog I'm not overly surprised she seemed a little shaken and reserved. As it was her third show, and I understand the immense pressure of this type of thing along with the extreme exhaustion she was facing, I definitely commend her performance. I would LOVE to see her at full strength fronting the band.
     
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    Thanks for that detailed review. Now I am leaning toward going to the Austin show where I was formerly on the "been there, done that" side of that fence. I have seen NW twice (once at PPF) over the last few years, both of them with Annette and she just doesn't do it for me. After hearing Floor as part of Mayan at PPF, I am thinking about spending the money on a ticket and taking the time to check them out. Stage presence is so underrated! The Austin concert is at a great venue for their act, so that is a plus also. Color me interested.
     
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    I'd recommend it. It's a completely different feel, and I'm confident they changed up their setlist to make it a better mix since Floor has more versatility. I think in SF we got one of Century Child, 2-3 off Once and DPP each, and 5-6 Imaginarium Songs. It was very cool, especially Floor being able to really dig into the Older Stuff. It was a refreshing change up in the style, a throwback, really, kind of an Homage to days gone by.

     
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