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Pain of Salvation - Scarsick album cover and tracklist revealed!

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by Mort Divine, Nov 14, 2006.

  1. Mort Divine

    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    Scenes From A Memory is their biggest example of this.
     
  2. Death Aflame

    Death Aflame voice of dissent

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    And where do you draw the line for people who have these perceptive skills to properly judge a work and those who do not?
     
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    Zero Hour is nothing like Dream Theater, there I agree. Octavarium is complete and total CRAP. Pain of Salvation is one of the best and most original bands in the metal realm right now. Their inherant flaws and pretentiousness is what makes them even better. The music has much more emotion because of it.
     
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    unknown fuck ftagn

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    I wasn't saying if it was good or not, I was merely pointing out that Octavarium had very few solos compared to Train of Thought (which had way more than SFAM).

    and what about tech metal? Pretty much the sole purpose of tech metal is to cram in as many notes as feasibly possible into a song.
     
  5. Varg Vikernes

    Varg Vikernes Kvlt Black Metal Lord

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    bands like Necrophagist and Spawn of Possession are far bigger wankers than Dream Theater
     
  6. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    The new Spawn Of Possession is INSANELY wanky, I mean...to the point of exhaustion. It's good, but goddamn.
     
  7. Mort Divine

    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    The new Spawn of Possession manages to be wanky as fuck and yet decently catchy enough for me to enjoy it, not Gorod techy yet catchy but I still love it.
     
  8. V.V.V.V.V.

    V.V.V.V.V. Houses Ov Mercury

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    I just wish the riffs would be less high note-y.
     
  9. unknown

    unknown fuck ftagn

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    definitely

    AND NOBODY BITCHES. not that I care since I like them all. but basically it shows the hypocrisy in metal. a band (Dream Theater) plays a bunch of solos and everybody shits their pants. Meanwhile tech metal and tech death metal bands are over there playing circles around Dream Theater and bands of the sort (in terms of the amount of notes and bpm) and everybody cheers and screams, "bravo!"

    :Smug:

    "And now we see the violence inherent in the system!"
     
  10. challenge_everything

    challenge_everything Active Member

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    'Be' is the MOST PRETENTIOUS WANKFEST EVER. But I like it. At least when they write an actual song instead of trying to philosophize. Their take on traditional prog is very original
     
  11. Mort Divine

    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    I totally agree with you on that.
     
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    unknown fuck ftagn

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    Be in my opinion is probably their best album. Even if not as heavy as the earlier ones.

    The DVD isn't bad either.
     
  15. Mort Divine

    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    The DVD is amazing, easily the best music DVD I've ever had the opportunity to watch.
     
  16. Necro Joe

    Necro Joe Answer the chicken

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    Which suggests that there are values a work should and should not possess in order for it to serve its purpose, and I do not believe that a universal standard for what art should be trying to acomplish can be established so I would argue with this idea.
     
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    Likewise.
     
  18. challenge_everything

    challenge_everything Active Member

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    How is it NOT? Have you read the album concept? How many titles does a song need? And "the answering machine of God"!?!?!?

    I wasn't referring to musical wankery like Dream Theater solos btw
     
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    It's not a wankfest. It's pretentious.
     
  20. Wires & Waves

    Wires & Waves New Metal Member

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    but music theory itself is a construct rooted in subjectivity, it's not some kind of objective fact :confused: the idea of good practice in music theory derives from what sounds good to people
     

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