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Question for Fellow Christians (reading fantasy/sci-fi novels;watching horror movies)

Discussion in 'Theocracy' started by R0b, Sep 26, 2012.

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  1. I Rock 4 God

    I Rock 4 God THEOCRACY FTW!!!!!!!!!

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    I am not a huge sci-fi fan, or anime, but I like horror movies, sci-fi video games, and fantasy books like Harry Potter. For the longest time, I was not allowed yo read Harry Potter because my parents were told that J.K. Rowling was a Satanist. She is, (I am not 100% Sure on this, but I am pretty darn sure) A catholic, and eventually read the series and loved it. :)
     
  2. R0b

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    I think the other thing to keep in mind when considering whether or not Jesus would want you doing it is whether or not that thing is affecting your relationship with Him. Outside factors can influence the question of, "Would Jesus want to see me doing this?" For example, if you have a family member who is anti-Japanese, then you may grow up thinking all things Japanese (anime, for instance) are bad, and therefore you would think that Jesus wouldn't want you watching anime; however, that decision is based upon hearing someone tell you that Japan is evil your whole life, not necessarily upon any teaching of Jesus. If we consider whether the thing in question is affecting our relationship with Him or not, then we can get a much clearer idea of where it actually stands with Jesus. Let me give you a personal example:

    As I've already stated, the items in question here do not affect me in any negative way. They are entertainment, although Rawshik has given me good reason to strongly think about the horror subject. On the other hand, my taste in comedy did have adverse effects on me. In short, I listened to vulgar comedy (Dane Cook, and comedy bands like Steel Panther), which ultimately influenced me to tell vulgar jokes. We know that Jesus doesn't like vulgarity, so this was obviously affecting my relationship with Him through my behavior. Jesus taught us that our behavior is important, and since mine was out of sync with what He would have wanted, I had to change it. Now that I've found Christian comedians (such as Bob Smiley) and stopped listening to the vulgar comedy, I can work on cleaning up my humor and getting it in line with something Christ appropriate.

    Now, with the other items, I do think that some selection is still in order. For example, I like anime, and that doesn't affect my relationship with Jesus; however, that doesn't mean that I shouldn't avoid some anime. Earlier this evening I was watching a show called 'Tari Tari', which is basically about a group of high school friends who start a choir. It is basically a cute, slice-of-life show with no bad elements, so I don't see it bothering Jesus. On the other hand, there is an anime called Mnemosyne, which, as I understand it, has a giant lesbian orgy in one episode. Obviously this would not be something that Jesus would want me to watch, since pornographic material is bad. In other words, while anime in general does not affect my relationship with Jesus, there are still titles that should be avoided.

    I actually had a meeting with my pastor this evening, and the subject of fantasy and all that came up. He seemed to agree with the general sentiment of this thread (we didn't talk horror movies, though), and he did say something to the effect of our hobbies allowing us to reach other people with the Gospel. That makes a lot of sense to me. After all, if you generalize an entire genre (anime, fantasy, sci-fi, etc.) as evil, then how do you reach out and find common ground with people who aren't saved and who like that kind of stuff? Most people aren't going to take kindly to you just shoving the Gospel in their face while telling them their hobbies are bad. More than likely, they'll be more willing to listen to someone who shares their hobbies.

    I think when it comes down to it, we should ask ourselves, "Does this particular thing affect my relationship with Jesus?" in regards to the broad spectrum of things (video games, movies, books, and so on). If the answer is no, then I think we need to start looking at individual items within that category and say, "Would Jesus like to see me reading this book/watching this movie/etc.?"

    Well, anyway, those are my thoughts. Off to bed for me now!
     
  3. FleshAndBloodTheocracy

    FleshAndBloodTheocracy Living Apple

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    More likely, she's Anglican, what with the whole British thing.

    Here's what the Bible says: 1 Corinthians 6:12 "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be enslaved by anything"

    So, whenever you want to know if it's okay for a Christian to do, ask three questions:
    Is it lawful, both in the eyes of God and according to the government?
    Is it helpful in serving God?
    Is it enslaving, so that it becomes more important than God?

    For things like horror, fantasy, sci-fi, etc, here's how I'd break it down

    Is it lawful?
    Yes. There is nothing in the Bible forbidding believers from enjoying any one genre of entertainment (except pornography). The government has no laws against any one genre of entertainment.

    Is it helpful?
    This differs from person to person. The world was created to be enjoyed and we, humans, were made in the image of a God who tells stories; a God who creates. We were made to be creative and to enjoy creativity, so I'd say yes, almost all forms of entertainment are helpful. And, like the previous poster mentioned, interest in these things can be a springboard to evangelism.

    Is it enslaving?
    While I know people who do get obsessed of fantasy or show mythology or whatever (Trekkies), I'd say most people can live healthy, normal lives while still enjoying these kinds of things. So, if it is personally enslaving for you, don't watch them, but if not, feel free.
     
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    Amazing thread. Wasn't expecting this kind of thread when I logged in today. While I find myself agreeing with most everything said here, I'll raise this word of caution that I was told (over and over) growing up: garbage in, garbage out. Now, please excuse any errors in my post as it is quite difficult to see with this plank in my eye, but even if we don't notice any obvious change in our behavior after reading/watching/listening/playing secular books/games/movies/etc (regardless of genre), it does, at minimum, I think, affect our thought life, which is just as significant as our actions.

    Again, I certainly am not coming from a position of purity; I've stumbled, fallen, and stumbled again more times than I can count, but I still think it is worth considering that the issue isn't just how these things affect our actions, but also how these things affect our thoughts. Admittedly (and from experience), the latter is much more difficult to gauge and to correct.

    If secular sci-fi, fantasy, horror, anime, comedy, drama, romance, etc., doesn't affect one's thoughts or actions, I'd say there isn't a problem.
     
  5. R0b

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    Okay, I had a nice, well-thought out post here talking about weighing things on the thought spectrum that SmiteMetal had talked about, but the forum timed out and wanted me to log in again before posting. I thought I copied the whole thing; turns out, I just copied my summary paragraph. Perhaps I'll try re-typing it later, but at the moment I really don't feel like re-typing all of that. -_-
     
  6. Rawshik

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    Usually when it does that all you have to do is log in again and it will auto-post it.
     
  7. labarum

    labarum Cotton Candy Collector

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    I always stick with notepad if I have taken the time to write something long and drawn out. You gotta save that junk!

    I agree with what someone said earlier... You gotta protect yo self. If the entertainment that you choose to partake in could cause you to sin (or to appear to be sinning/hurt your witness to others) then DONT DO IT.

    There are always people at the crazy end of the spectrum, that say Harry Potter leads people to the occult because there are always people at the MORON end of the spectrum that fall for it.
     
  8. Mr. Six

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    We're in a war, folks. If you're a Christ follower, then your mind is now Spiritual, and sin is dead and buried; but, the carnal lusts of your former life are still a never-ending siren call. The chief battlefield of this war is the mind of every human being.

    Paul is talking about food in Cornithians. There is no evil food that God has made. Things that go into the belly are alike for God's glory and to be consumed in clear conscience.

    But what we feed our MINDS is a different matter. See Phillipians 4:8:

    8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.


    God is holy. There is no darkness is in Him. It is because He is perfectly holy that we must be washed by Christ's sacrifce to be with Him in Heaven. We must walk accordingly. The Christian life is a steady, difficult climb towards holiness, not to be finished until we reach Heaven.

    Whenever you run into something you're not sure of, consider the words of Peter:

    1 Peter 1:13-16

    13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”

    Is watching a horror movie in which someone is brutally murdered holy? Is it pure and praiseworthy? Will it in any way help you no longer conform to your former lusts as an unbeliever? Is it lovely?

    Can you watch it and then thank God for it, that He gave you that movie to watch?
     
  9. R0b

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    I would like to say something here:

    There have been a variety of opinions in this thread, but what astounds me is that they have all clearly been voiced with LOVE! I feel like there are too many times where we, as Christians, are quick to condemn each other, but the opinions in this thread have obviously been presented with the intent to provoke thought and to build each other up, not tear each other down. No one has come in and cried, "These things will send you to hell!", but instead everyone has simply sought to provide advice on how to approach these subjects (or, in some cases, any subject where we have questions). I thank you, friends, or rather brothers (and maybe sisters?) for a mature and thoughtful discussion.
     
  10. Rawshik

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    So Jesse Duplantis (I'm sure we all know who he is) came to my church the other day and said some things relevant to this topic. In short, what he said was that we shouldn't be making provisions to do things of the world such as thinking, "The Bible doesn't say I can't do it, so that means I can do it!" in specific he brought up drinking as an example. The Bible tells us that we can drink as long as we don't become a drunkard. But Jesse's point was that you shouldn't look at the Bible as telling you that you can drink, because that is of the world(?), but rather look at it as drinking will lead you to situations where others are drinking and doing things of the world that aren't a good influence on you. So, in essence, he was saying, don't look for things of the world that you are allowed to do as a Christian because that's not crucifying your flesh. Very interesting. It would be ludicrous not to have respect for this man and the word that he preaches.

    Edit: I can give a link to the message if anyone is interested.
     
  11. FleshAndBloodTheocracy

    FleshAndBloodTheocracy Living Apple

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    Wrong. In the verse I quoted, he was talking about sexual immorality. But, the 3 questions that arise from that verse are still infinitely helpful in discerning if something is permissible:

    1. Is it legal?
    2. Is it helpful?
    3. Is it enslaving?

    @Rawshik: I absolutely agree on some points. Just because we have certain freedoms doesn't mean we should exercise that freedom. For example, a Christian who comes from a family of alcoholics has the freedom to drink - it wouldn't be a sin - but it would be wise of him not to exercise that freedom.
    However, I would have to say that the world and the things in it are made for human pleasure.
    Genesis 1:1 uses the word "bara" for "made," which is the Hebrew term for "created." The rest of Genesis 1 uses "asot" for "made," which is the Hebrew term for "prepared." It's like someone going out and actually building a bed. He made a bed. That's bara. Then, a couple days later, it's a mess and the sheets and blankets are everywhere, so he straightens it out. He makes his bed. That's asot.
    So basically, in Genesis 1:1 God creates everything - Ex Nihilo, out of nothing - and then every day afterwards He is preparing it. What is He preparing it for? For humans. Every act in Genesis 1 is preparing for the creation of man in Genesis 2. God prepares Creation for us - for us to live in, yes, but also for our enjoyment.
     
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    I think he was referring to this:

     
  13. FleshAndBloodTheocracy

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    In that case, still wrong. Paul wasn't talking about God, he was using it as an example.
     
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    Thread closed by request.
     
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