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Discussion in 'Dark Tranquillity' started by hyena, Dec 15, 2002.
And Im sorry for misunderstanding
No hard feelings eh?
I had to read "Making democracy work. Civic traditions in modern Italy" by Robert D. Putnam on my last course, and I think I'll re-read it 'til the summer.
It's very interesting results from research during a long time concerning the great importance of civic community, trust and networks when building a democracy. Putnam and his co-workers have found almost unrealisticly strong (have I been told, I haven't read statistics yet) relations between strong civic communities and efficient democratic institutions. The differences were large between northern and southern Italy and according to Putnam the reasons for this are to be found as far back as in the late dark age/early renaissance. Of course some scientists have questioned Putnam's results (as there always are in science, luckily enough) but the study have been of great importance in politic science. The book is of course a short summary of the actual study (you can't research for 20 years or so and put a detailed description down on 200 pages).
Is there anyone else who have read it? What do you think about the results?
Stephen Hawking - The Theory of Everything.....Any one ever read any of his stuff or know of similer reading i should check out
Wow! Didn't know there actually was a book thread here on UltimateMetal.
I'm currently reading my way through the "Complete Illustrated Works" of Edgar Allan Poe. I've always been a huge Lovecraft fan, but I think Poe just might overdo him.
I'm also reading the forth book in the Vampire Chronicles, "The Tale of the Body Thief", by Anne Rice. I'm getting a little weary of all the emotional vampire crap, but it's still very well written and I'm totally enjoying that aspect of it.
I'm also anxiously awaiting "A Feast for Crows" by George R. R. Martin, but I guess I don't have to tell you people that.
'The Universe in a Nutshell' By Stephen Hawkings is awesome. It explains loads of crazy physics stuff that just totally makes my head spin :Spin:. Its a great book.
I got "A Storm Of Swords" yesterday. Gonna read it before christmas. It looks immense.
Well, to cut a long story very short, my opinion on that particular study and of others with similar conclusions, both scientific and anecdotal (think Tobias Jones for the latter category) is that they carry a bias in the very point of view they choose.
of course most of what they ascertain is believable and interesting, and i'll also go as far as saying that it's true in a reasonable percentage, but the idea that the social texture in southern italy is somewhat non-democratic due to mistrust in civic communities is, to put it mildly, a gross approximation.
a portion of southerners in this country do not see themselves as a part of the state, and hence they refuse the institutions. get a good book on the history of mafia before it became a criminal organization - it's a tribal structure, hence it's not democratic, but the idea that there is no sense of community is just misplaced.
some southern areas are still stuck with that particular form of (top-down) social relationship in current times and yes, there are several historical reasons that incited the prevalence of hierarchy over equality, but the point is that the traditional way of creating a community in the south never developed into an organized (and maybe democratic) state because there already was another state, against which southern "civil society" was fighting by resorting to preceding forms of (also strategic) organization.
most societies became democratic through reforms of the institution, and maybe that's also the ontology of democracy itself, so you need to consider the particular circumstances.
i'm really hungry so i'll go cook and cut this here, but feel free to pm me for further discussion.
I've just finished reading Coraline by Neil Gaiman. I suppose it's really a children's book, but it's really good, very enjoyable for adults too.
Now I'll have to continue with A Game of Thrones. I'm only a few chapters in, and so far it's not as good as I thought it would be, there's nothing special about it yet. That isn't to say I'm not enjoying it, but it hasn't grabbed me by the wassnames like the Farseer and Tawny Man trilogies did, or the saga of Recluse, or The View from the Mirror... but I will persevere.
EDIT: Also, I'm going to have to request with all the politeness I can muster that any spoilers are VERY CLEARLY LABELLED! If there's one thing I can't stand, it's being told what happens before I read it for myself.
Now I'm reading "The Death Gate Cyckle", im on the second book at the moment.
First it seemed quite odd and confusing, but it seems to get better and more interesting all the time.
Odd, that I haven't really read anything in the last 2 years...
and now, in the last 6 moths I've read about 2 books in a month...
...and I've been reading only at work.
Good job. Read American Gods yet?
Just finished 'Conversations with God' by Neale Donald Walsch
Now reading 'Bobby Fischer goes to War' by David Edmonds and John Eidinow
For some reason I just don't care for fiction??? My sister gave me the 'DaVinci Code'
6 months ago and I'm about 2/3 through it??? In those 6 months probably read at least
20 other books. The last book(fiction) I finished reading was 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley -
I have too many books to read and not enough time... basically all the ones I got for christmas, plus Terry Pratchet's Mort, Series of Unfortunate Events #11, my friend insists I read #8 and 9 of WOT, Funke's Inkheart and Dragonrider, etc...
Nope, but I have a duplicate Christmas present that I'm going to exchange for something else next week, so depending on how much American Gods is, I might get it then. I also have Good Omens to re-read now.
i'm re-reading the prince. cooooooool. uh, and there's these annotations i'd made when about 16 - some of them concern the contents of my philosophy classes, some of them are badly passed off as such but they really are about my personal life at the time, like "never share anything".
^the Prince by Machiavelli - saved my life
Zappa by Barry Miles
of course its a biography of Frank Zappa (mothers of invention)
learned one thing on the first page zappa means 'hoe' in Italian
Verdict on A Game of Thrones: quite a disappointment. I'm quite surprised the series has so many fans here, the majority of this book verges on plain dull. It did finally come to life towards the end with the death of Ned, and the bit with Dany and Khal Drogo's wound and the following events was also good. But then the very last chapter was just stupid. I'm not a fan of his writing style, a few of the characters are unbelievable and too predictable, and I never managed to obtain a sense of fear for any of the characters or the plight of the kingdom as a whole.
Okay so maybe that's more criticism than it deserves. The story itself is good, even if it could be told better, and the ending was quite enjoyable. And I've just ordered A Clash of Kings, which I've been told is better, so I'm not giving up on it.
plus you like dragonlance
Yes yes, I wondered how long you'd take to reply. I'm not even comparing this to Dragonlance, seeing as I've read much better since I read that anyway.
just a little longer than me.
You don't have any more comments with which to rubbish my opinion? Gosh.
to me you're dead now.