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Realistic Trilian Bass Programming

Discussion in 'F.O.H.' started by outbreak525, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. outbreak525

    outbreak525 Member

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    I'm looking for tips and advice to make Trilian Bass sound as realistic as possible. Also, which bass do you recommend for metal?
     
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    I'd love to hear what others have to say but I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't cut it against the real thing. I really wanted it too, but after lots of experimenting I found it never really sits in the mix the way it should. The deal breaker for me was when I put it head to head against a terrible old bass with four thousand year old strings. It's hard to explain exactly, I hope you get what I mean, the actual tone produced by trillian was miles better but when it came to mixing there's just something about it that doesn't work. It just doesn't sit well in the mix.

    Don't get me wrong, I love trillian and use it all the time. It's perfect when writing or you need a decent bass track quickly. Maybe someone else has had better luck.
     
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    Yup. You are better off buying a cheap bass and playing the parts. Programmed bass blows.
     
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    Maybe for slow moving pop stuff it would be usable, for metal not at all.
     
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    It actually can be done for metal, and quite well. Problem is that there are so few samples in the Trilian library that fit the need. The fretless ones work best I think for it. I use Waves CLA Bass to get a good grit to it so it sits a bit more distinctively, but thats just more cash that could be dropped on a real bass.
     
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    If you know how to programme and process it properly it sounds amazing. I've done a whole album with it on a major UK band release earlier this year. PM me if you want to know what band it was for.
     
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    +1. trillian sounds good enough, but needs lots of compression, eq etc. etc.
     
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    Let's hear some samples!
     
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    yep! sample or it didn't happen :)

    Seriously speaking i think that the hardcore finger sounds damn real and with some patience with velocities you can get decent results
     
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    To achieve the most realistic sound with trillian make sure you adjust every single velocity so it's different from the last (like what you would do with a programmed snare roll), it will sound more realistic and natural. You will be surprised when it's played back in the mix!
     
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    Trilian's good for producing a steady stream of low end. Consistent and smooth that can require no compression. It's when you try gritting it up and boosting the mids that it becomes more evident it's programmed. I'm getting good results using it in conjunction with the squier vintage modified, the squier has no low end and I hate it on it's own but it can get gritty, and with the soft lows of Trilian it can work out ok.
     
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    It sounds great man!
    In my opinion this beats recording and slip editing and possibly melodine-ing.
     
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    Trilian sounds awesome dude. Just like mentioned above, change the velocities around to get more realistic results that don't sound so robotic. Try changing the velocity of every single note, but have them be slightly different. This creates a constant variation between the sound too. I also recommend writing out your bass parts in Guitar Pro if you have it, and then exporting that track as Midi and using that for Trilian.
     
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    Trilian articulation sounds great but all trillian bass guitars are boomy in a mix, specially in metal. You can get decent results playing with velocities+automation. Trillian+distortion+velocities make cool gritty tones though. I still prefer a cheap bass with new strings over any trillian model for rock/metal, I lose less time with it.
     
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    You could always EQ out the boomy-ness.
     
  20. miguelrx10d

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    yea I'm always struggling to get a balanced low end with trilian. Even if you use just the d.i signal it has a massive low end that will overdrive any shit that you try to run it thru... I always have to put a mean HPF to control that boom and still can't sit it well in a mix, looking forward for some tips about this too :loco:
     

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