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Redemption song a Tea party anthem?

Discussion in 'ProgPower USA Lounge' started by adaher, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. adaher

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    Was just listening to Leviathan Rising for the first time on Youtube and I was surprised at the lyrics. Here they are, for those who haven't heard the song:

    http://www.lyricsaholic.com/redemption-leviathan-rising-lyrics.html

    I always dig political songs, whether I agree with them or not. And BTW, I do agree with these. Best conservative lyrics I've heard since Rush's The Trees.
     
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    No band would be stupid enough to pick a politically charged issue and pick a side and express it in a song, alienating a secondary large group of people. That would be dumb as fuck. Does it have a political theme? Maybe on a personal level to someone who wrote them, but these are vague enough lyrics to be represented as open to interpretation.

    IMO don't pretend to understand what a band was thinking when they wrote the lyrics because you're probably wrong.
     
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    Plenty of bands work politics into their songs, be it issues or ideologies. Sons of Liberty is the obvious example, but Megadeth and even Halcyon Way come to mind. Yes, they risk alienating a segment of their listeners, but they have to weigh that against their desire to express their beliefs and opinions.
     
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    Ugh, I hate political songs by metal bands. They're all so ham-fisted and preachy.
     
  5. adaher

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    This one as nailz said is a little more subtle though, although I do think it's undoubtedly from a libertarian perspective. At the very least, it's clear they aren't fans of Marxism:

    Behemoth rises from the soils of jealousy,
    Equality enforced on pain of death,
    Mistaking mankind's progress for a dialectic truth,
    And smothering the spirit that's behind it

    I also heard a voiceover in the song about Tianeman Square, so maybe it's not about our domestic politics. Maybe it's about the repression of Communist China?
     
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    Subtle? I disagree. To me it's standard libertarian fluff, using standard metaphors, written in the typical political metal lyrical style:

    A bad thing is happening
    It's bad like another bad thing
    We must do a good thing
    So that the bad thing goes away


    Mark Jansen does this all the time.
     
  7. adaher

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    Hey, those are actually pretty cool lyrics. Someone should lift them and make a parody of a political song.
     
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  9. Cheiron

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    I don't think that this would be a Tea Party anthem, though they might agree with it.

    I read this song as being about increased government power & taxation, which is caused by fearful and jealous people.
     
  10. PureXul

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    This...just because the concept meshes with something the Tea Party agrees with, doesn't mean it was intentionally written from a Tea Party point of view. I don't know Nick's political views, but to me, the song comes across far more as anger at inequality and systematic faults than a representation of any specific party or view (well, aside from the fact that it singles out the faults of socialist policies).
     
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    From an interview in April, 2010:

    One aspect of each album that always sticks out is the sheer depth of emotion involved with each song, musically and vocally. What are some of the inspirations you draw from when writing the music? Does Ray take the finished music and add to it or is there another process involved when composing?

    Van Dyk: I do think it’s one of the things that makes Redemption what we are. Musically, I continue to be intrigued by combining very heavy, riff-oriented metal with strong melody and big choruses, and by having technicality but subjugating it to the needs of the song.(...) Our lyrics are about human frailty: fears, regrets, and the like, but also hope and triumphs. All of these are done in a way that people can relate to, which is critical to establishing the emotional link with our audience. Our songs, in a sense, are all relationship songs: they either deal with how we relate to ourselves or to others. Even “Leviathan Rising” is about how people relate to each other in the context of society and government.


    From another interview, 2009:

    [FONT=Calibri,sans-serif] [FONT=&quot] How important is it to you that people pay attention to the lyrics apart from listening to the music?[/FONT][/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Nick: It’s a nice plus, but it’s not critical. We aren’t a “message” band per se, although there is a song on the new CD that is probably the only political song we’ll ever do (Leviathan Rising).

    Last one:

    [/FONT] I hope I didn't mishear this one but I think you used samples from the movie "V for Vendetta" in your song "Leviathan Rising", didn't you? What can you tell us about the song and the use of these samples? I think the movie was more or less panned in the media but in my opinion there are still a lot of important ideas represented (which mostly trace back to the graphic novel of course...). What are your thoughts about it?

    You are correct, that is where some of the samples come from. The others come from news footage of the Tiananmen Square massacre.
    The movie was actually pretty well reviewed, although there was some controversy, particularly from hardcore fans of the graphic novel on which it was based. I think it’s an extremely compelling story with a very important message about government, which is why I was moved to write about it on this CD. Leviathan Rising is about the role of government in society. The title comes from the book Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes, which is one of the most famous books in political philosophy. It asserts that life without government would be a dangerous place where people’s worst instincts resulted in a great deal of enmity, and as a result we should be glad to surrender a large amount of our freedom to the state in the interest of maintaining order. As you can imagine from the sound bites in the song – which come from the movie V for Vendetta and from news footage of the Tienanmen Square massacre – I don’t agree with this point of view. Government has overstepped its bounds both socially and economically and we are operating, in the US, with fewer freedoms than we have ever had. The package of economic reforms that has been pushed through over the past couple of years is financially disastrous and wrong-headed. Meanwhile the civil liberties that were wiped out with the prior administration moved the country in the wrong direction. What’s saddening is that very few people draw the connection between the two. The problem isn’t the agenda of a President. The problem is the nature of government: the bureaucracy exists to grow, and Guantanamo Bay and the proposed healthcare legislation in the US are just two sides of the same problem.
     
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    Thanks for posting that, without getting into a fully political discussion, his comments seem to confirm to me that the song isn't about any one party or issue, but a broad attack on a conceptual level at how our government has evolved over the past couple decades.

    And frankly, it's a damn good song. :headbang:
     
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    Good to see I wasn't imagining the libertarian lyrics.

    I didn't necessarily mean that Nick was a Tea Partier, more that much like "The Trees", Tea Partiers might consider the song something worth adding to their playlist at events.

    I also think it would be stupid to not like a band because you don't like the political slant of the songs. For me at least, any song with a message that is well done appeals to me, even if I normally wouldn't agree with it.
     
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    Nope, sounds like you were imagining it. There's nothing about how the free market should rule America and become the new government.
     
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    Oh, good gods, I hope they don't. I wouldn't want any political organization using any of my anything regardless of side and beliefs.

    I'm sorry, that's like saying I shouldn't be opposed to the pope or preachers because religion is a ideological misnomer invented and used by the rich and power hungry to control and brainwash people. And before you get up in my face for that statement, don't bother. I'm not getting on a soap box, I'm simply pointing out a relevant comparison.
     
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    No, but it does speak of "starving the beast" and refers to how our sense of entitlement is crushing us.
     
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    It's music. Music can be used to persuade, but really for most people it's just music. Listeners are as likely to become libertarian from hearing the song as they are to pick up a sword and slay infidels from listening to Hammerfall.
     
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    So I take it you are not a fan of any punk rock band at all? Bob Dylan? Rage Against the Machine? Megadeth? System of a Down? etc etc list anther 1000 bands. All have blatantly obvious political songs/views.
     
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    At least with Rage you know what you're getting into. I enjoy Megadeth even though Mustaine is clearly a political whore personally, but I've failed to pick out any ideology in their work that I myself am familiar with, which honestly isn't much.

    The other two? No. Why, do they sing about the downfall of Republicans or Democrats? Or is it like Rage and talking about blatant atrocities? Because I have no issue with that, and if you're trying to go there, you're reaching about 3 miles outside of the context.
     
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    3 miles out of what context? You flat out stated that bands don't express their political sides in songs because that is stupid and they lose fans. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of examples that contradict that.
     

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