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Discussion in 'Children Of Bodom' started by (__Joonas__), Jul 6, 2009.
Well that's creepy.
As it is, this is just your personal opinion and the point where I'd disagree.
Just like you said it depends on the ear of the listener, and as matter of fact one can speak only for themselves.
I never really liked the 'flair' of the old albums. I really like the melodies though, but the riffs on the old albums (something wild, hatebreeder) are rather weak to me, if you compare it to RFF for instance.
My favourite album was and still is HCDR, because on this album the combined really nice melodies like the chorus of BBT, needled intro or the part after alexi solo in chokehold and on the other side awesome riffs like the prelude to BBT solo. However, RFF comes very close to HCDR in my opinion. There is just so much stuff going on in ervery song...in the chorus, the verse, right from the beginning. It packed with so many little details which I just miss on old albums. And I think this is due to the fact that every one in this band simply evolved as a musician until to day. They way Jaska plays for instance. On old albums his playing was rather undiversified, on RRF he adds lots of little changes and things all the time which makes it all in all more interesting to listen to.
Don't get me wrong on the first albums though. I think there really are some good songs especially on FTR, although I think I like different songs from this album compared to you "old school bodom" guys. For instance Bodom after Midnight is on of my favourites.
I do understand how and why people like the old albums, but this ongoing discussion between old and new bodom is just nonessential.
There are simply two different types of music. And as a matter of fact alexi focuses a lot on technical riffs and leads today.
I dont think this will change in the future because playing those old songs, for example bed of razors, are playing wise less interesting to play than the new ones. So there is basically no appeal for the band to write such music because today they can write and play more complex and technically challenging! They are probably not really doing that on purpose, but thats just how it is because as a musician you always want to create something better than before which almost has to lead to what I just described
I'm curious as to why you say that. To me, the change between Inearthed and Hatebreeder was huge. In my ear, they don't even sound like the same band. From Inearthed to Something Wild, there's still elements there, but again, it doesn't sound that similar to me. But admittedly I don't know anything about the technical side of music, I can just go by the overall impression.
I'm one of those people who greatly prefers earlier Bodom (up to and including Hate Crew Deathroll). I still don't mind the more recent stuff. I think Blooddrunk is their worst album, no matter what people say about Something Wild.
As for Relentless Reckless Forever, I think it's a good improvement over Blooddrunk. Overall it's a pretty solid album, and I can hear elements of the old Bodom that I like in some of the songs.
I guess that's the end of my pointless opinion.
i agree. i,for one, like old bodom and that includes everything untill blooddrunk, nomatter what what others say about one album or another. i haven't listen to all the tracks on rrf yet [i told myself i will after i buy the cd, and that i'll buy the cd @ the gig on the 20th], but still i already like it more than bd.
lol yeah i know. Fcking scary init?! I know weird stuff, and it scares the fck outta me :Smokedev:
What's the thing about the "technicality" of the new songs? They don't sound any more technical or hard than the old ones! Also the few songs I know the tabs to from Bodom (BD, DWEDFN, verse of Hellhounds) don't seem too technical.
On RRF there's Ugly's verse which is 3/4 and COTN which totally random, but otherwise is there any thing technical? String-skipping etc?
I dont know what instrument you are playing, but as a guitar player I find the older songs much easier to play than for instance SKO, NMF, or Lobodomy...
String-skipping... Could it be guitar?
There's a string-skipping riff in SKO.
It's just the notes in general that are technical. The fingerings for a lot of these songs are really weird. The lead part in the verse of ugly is actually sort of ridiculous to get clean. The little hook in NMF is sort of annoying sometimes, too .. I see a lot of people screwing that up just because you need to stretch a little bit. : )
"It doesn't have the feeling" the fuck of it all. I seriously don't know what you guys are on to always keep finding twisted ways to idolize HB and FTR. Yes, they were two beasts of albums, but so are HCD and RRF. AYDY is indeed somehow under that and BD too, but HCD and RRF are by no means less than those two no matter how much you want to look at them as something godlike. Try, oh please do try so I can have some good fun, to explain that mystic and inexplicable and godly feeling that is missing so us non understanding folks can get to your level of wisdom.
Until you guys figure out a way, I'm going to go enjoy the hell of an album that RRF is, including NT which is as good as a closer as they come. Don't know about you people, but whilst I love KTS, that doesn't keep me from seeing that it's not more than a good riff and a clusterfuck of solos (2 minutes!) because the album was too short and they had to lenghten it quickly in the studio. Of course they did a great job and I am very happy they felt the album was short and blessed us with that, but that doesn't magically alter reality.
Hmmm don't know if you've given them a go but RRF is by far the most challenging COB album to play. Don't know about drums or keys, but guitarwise no other album is trickier.
FTR solos have a nice mixture of feeling and technicality, whereas RRF solos are 90% about technicality and kinda lack in feeling. Can't remember them.
Bullshit. You remember them, you can admit that at least. The entire NMF solo section including the pre-solo is easily remembered. So is SKO solo section. I would say RTHAB is also. Ugly solo EASILY remembered, so is cry of the nihilist guitar/keyboard section. Anyone who says they don't remember the WIWI solos note by note is lying hard.
The solo section on RRF is fucking INCREDIBLE. It takes a few listens to remember completely (one listen and you'll remember a good bit of it), but so are a lot of the ftr solos. RRF solo section is the greatest of the album imo, and some of COB's best work.
Dude, this album has great solos across the board and they're ALL easily remembered..... what the fuck? Your trying too hard to shun this album away, and it's a shame man.. really.
Actually, trying to remember the guitar solo from Not My Funeral. I can't remember it, even though it's a really cool one.
The only solo I can easily remember off RRF is Janne's solo on Shovel Knockout.
Every other solo is good and all that, but...
Well, it's easier to remember solos that you've heard a thousand times. Give it some time.
Btw, have COB played Cry Of The Nihilist live? I'd love to see that one =p
Shame that I voice aloud what so many think? It's a good COB album but for my taste too little atmosphere overall to be my favourite.
Im so glad to hear that lots of you guys love/like the new album too. It does take some time to get used to, like all new albums do. I think Jaska's drumming on this one is a bit easier for me to follow, allthough he has these crazy double bass sections I just love ! Btw, I think his double bass'es sounds more firm on this album - could it be coz now he uses two seperate instead of a double pedal?
What exactly are you preaching? Most people on this forum, and more importantly most people outside of this forum love the album. It seems to me that you dislike it a lot, mostly because it does not sound like follow the reaper, but from what I've gathered most people just love it for what it is without obnoxious comparisons.
COB fans love the album. FTR fans may not. ; )
Fully agree with you there, although I liked it from the beginning, but it still kept growing, the more I listened to it. A few weeks ago I disagreed with Jose when he said he likes it more than HCDR, but meanwhile I totally agree with him, it IS better. Still doesn't beat FTR or HB, but then RRF makes a really good third [inb4 "it's only your opinion" - yeah I know folks, calm down again].
Regarding the atmosphere/feeling topic, Joonas, I don't think RRF lacks one or the other. I agree that it's totally different from what I feel when listening to FTR, yes. But RRF does also create a certain atmosphere, by sound & tone both by guitars and keys, songs' structures, riffs, even drumming is kinda special. But the feeling you get is meant to be different - and don't you think it's kinda natural that different people feel differently approached by different things? Maybe FTR had the exact vibe that rings your very own special bell, whereas the thrashier albums naturally aren't able to have the same effect on you again, but can do for others?