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Religion Amongst Metalheads

Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by HadesRagnazrath, Mar 2, 2017.

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What is your religion?

  1. Paganism (European religion)

    7 vote(s)
    24.1%
  2. Satanism (all LHP religions)

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%
  3. Abrahamism

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
  4. Asian religion (including Hindu)

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. Atheism

    8 vote(s)
    27.6%
  6. Deism

    3 vote(s)
    10.3%
  7. Pantheism

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%
  8. Philosophy

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
  9. Humanism/Autodeism

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
  10. Other

    11 vote(s)
    37.9%
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  1. Storrsson

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    Not to burst any bubbles, but the Vedas contain the same information, and were composed some time between 3,000 and 7,000 BC. The Gathas have similar things, perhaps as early as 4,000 BC. There's a tribe out in Columbia that knew about space etc. despite not having contact with the West until about 1990. They even knew stars that can't be seen by the naked eye, and could accurately point to where they were on photographs of the night sky.

    I presume most ancient cultures had this kind of knowledge, but the knowledge was restricted to a priestly class following the "agricultural revolution" (the "scientists" of the day). Earlier cultures probably had even more widespread knowledge of e.g. the spherical nature of the earth, considering that they were all prime astronomers (talking meso/paleolithic here, when they were building stone calendars all over the place).
     
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    this still doesn't prove that the "God of the Israelites" is "The God"
     
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    Have you ever read any of these alleged Sumerian Job accounts? I have them all and believe me they do not read anything like the Biblical account. The Sumerian Job accounts are short and contain no knowledge of modern science. Th Biblical account contains a wealth of modern science that wasn't even proven true until 4000 years later! Now you tell me which Job is the real inspired work? Are you gonna believe that some pagan account with no accurate knowledge of science is the authentic account over the Biblical account jam packed full of accurate science? Seriously now. The Book of Job is very ancient. Rabbinic tradition says it was with Moses in his possession. Now Moses was no fool. Even before God called him he was a very intelligent Hebrew born Egyptian man, learned in the ways of the world of his time. He was an educated man, like Abraham before him. He clearly did not risk life and limb to have his people leave Egypt if he knew the Egyptians were correct in their ways. Had his decision been foolish then history would not have even recorded much of the Hebrew people other than they were an ancient race of people with little to no trace of their existence. Yet the Hebrews preserved and Moses' obedience to God lead the world to modern civilization.
    I always say that if YHWH were just a mere mortal man, then he was the smartest man who ever lived and he created the holiest religion that's ever been! We should show great respect for this YHWH even if he were a mere mortal man. For the things written in the Torah are not small minded things. The entire history of the Jews up to this present movement is written in the Torah if you know how to read the prophecies in it. That's remarkable how a mere mortal human being can see so far into the future and even be chronologically pin-point accurate every step of the way!
    YHWH was no mortal man. Anyone who reads the Book of Exodus with a clear thinking mind will at least arrive to the conclusion that something very significant happened during this Exodus from Egypt. Something very big! Something not of this world took place. But people who don't bother to even read or study the Bible never learn anything in life. They lived only for the moment without thinking about the meaning of anything outside themselves. These people who never read tend to be the most critical and outspoken opponents against the Bible!
    But I do read the Bible and study it. I've studied it for many years now and each year my knowledge increases from reading it. The things I have learned in just this recent year alone are mind blowing and awesome at the same time. There are many more things I will learn from the Bible before I die.
     
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    holes in Genesis

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    young-earth-creationism...just...doesn't...work...if you believe the entire universe was created in 4004 BC, you sir are an idiot
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    the concept of Christian belief
    a talking snake tricked some naked people into eating an apple, so now we have to worship a zombie or else we burn in a lake of fire
    that doesn't sound like a religion, it sounds like a fantasy novel, and let's be real here, a badly written fantasy novel
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    everyone assumes that "Cain's wife" was his sister, but what if she wasn't, people didn't understand "mitochondrial DNA" until just recently, what if Noah's flood was caused to kill the people who didn't have Eve's mitochondrial DNA, and what if the people on Noah's ark all really did have Eve's mitochondrial DNA, this fits perfectly with the parts of Ancient Astronaut Theory describing the aliens doing manipulation on earth DNA to create humans
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    what exactly was "the mark of Cain" and where exactly did he go when he was separated from Adam and Eve
    according to Michael Tellinger's "Slave Species of The Gods" Noah's flood was not a global event and that Cain's "punishment" was being removed from the area effected by the flood, and that the names of Cain's descendants were capable of being recorded because those people didn't die in the flood
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    young-earth-creationists say that Noah's flood was the "event" that killed the dinosaurs
    but it's circular logic, without dinosaur fossils [and someone to say their dated wrongly] there's no evidence to saythat Noah's flood was a global event,
    but without Noah's flood story being in the Bible, there's no evidence to say the event that killed dinos was a flood
     
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    I recently remembered a funny story about religion among metalheads. There was a band here who decided to shed a light on the brutality of the Bible by using the most violent verses as lyrics. They took the shtick to the extreme, as basically all they did on MySpace was quote the Bible as well, to the point that their page made them look like an actual Christian band. So they soon got verbally abused and spat on, especially considering their city was Christchurch, often called Antichristchurch among metalheads. Their band name was Word of God. :D
     
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    oh, but there's more problems in Genesis

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    if the event that killed the dinosaurs was Noah's flood, the why weren't there dinosaurs on the Ark??

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    if Cain's wife wasn't his sister, then it appears as if all the females on Noah's ark had the same mitochondrial DNA, (see number 3) which would mean all 8 people on the boat would have prolly had extremely similar faces/DNA, if Noah's flood happened when everyone thinks it did, and if all humans on earth today were Noah's descendants, we'd have much less DNA diversity than we actually do

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    then there's the "38 boat stories" that Christians use to "prove" Noah's flood, where apparently all these stories [from around the world] are supposedly actually just "re-tellings" of Noah's flood, with this somehow "proving" that Noah's flood was a global event, and proving that all the humans on earth descended from Noah, [which is provably false based on DNA diversity in modern humans] but each "boat story" is completely totally different [a few of them even having way the fuck more detail/words than the biblical flood description] to the point where anyone that's not Christian could easily see that these are actually 38 different people-filled-boats [which they'd have to be if the flood was global] and no one can prove a global flood, where these 38 boat stories might have actually describing something close to 38 different floods

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    there are people who say Job died before Noah's Flood, even though the descriptions of other tribes attacking Job's children clearly put the story of Job after the Tower of Babel, these people say that Noah's flood killed the dinosaurs, and then say Job was before Noah's flood because Job saw dinosaurs, [humans seeing dinosaurs is complete bullshit anyway] by saying that "behemoth and leviathan" were dinosaurs [text of Job indicates Job saw these things]
     
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    Some Dinosaurs were on the ark as ancient artifacts prove.

    Sauropods Axel-Photo-Amazon-Warriors-and-Dinosaur2-300x225.jpg de Yamón, Perú.JPG
    250px-Stegosaur_carving.jpg Figure-11-Stegosaurus-Goat-Horse.jpg

    There is plenty of proof in written history and ancient artifacts to prove that at least some dinosaurs were on the ark. Noah, being smarter than a dumb man, would have had the intelligence to take aboard younger animals. This would have been easy for Noah since he lived in the Antediluvian period of gigantism, as humans lived 1000 years. Reptiles can grow their entire lifetime. Just think how big a reptile can get with prolonged life. The Flood is proven in science but politics keeps the truth from the public.

    Cain married his sister. When Adam and Eve are the first created humans then mankind has to find a start somewhere. Genesis 5 mentions how Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+5&version=NKJV

    Since mankind had prolonged lifespans back then up to a 1000 years, Cain's future enemies will all come from Adam and Eve and eventually, in a few hundred years, that part of the world is well peopled.

    1. God approved of the Genesis Flood on Mt.Sinai.
    2. The Bible ark floats whereas the other arks do not. They all sink except the Biblical ark. The Genesis account is the true account. But the others are very useful for verifying the Flood.

    There are no creationists who believe Job lived before the Flood. I have a large library full of creationist books and not one of them would dare claim that. So whoever these people are who say otherwise are very misinformed.

    Job makes a reference to the Flood,

    Job 14:18-19
    “But as a mountain erodes and crumbles
    and as a rock is moved from its place,
    as water wears away stones
    and torrents wash away the soil,
    so you destroy man's hope."

    Job lived after the Flood about the same time as Abraham. The Behemoth was most likely a Sauropod, like the one being hunted in the ancient cave painting. Within the last 300 years many species of animals have gone extinct that you didn't know ever existed. Youtube Haast eagle and that might be of some help to you. The Behemoth, a Sauropod, is extinct. The Leviathan is a sea monster and its not clear if its extinct today or not. But most likely the Leviathan is extinct.

    Most all dinos died in the Flood.
     
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    I've studied science for many years and have heard all views of origins. Nothing makes more sense than YEC. And whether its acceptable to believe that or not it doesn't matter. Truth is truth and this earth is not millions of years old. We don't even have that many fossils to account for that many dead to account for millions of years. The official position of YEC is that the earth is somewhere between 6-to-10 thousand years old, favoring the lower end of the spectrum, Sedimentary rock verifies the Flood as true history which means the dating scheme of evolution goes way back down to thousands, not millions.

    Satan entered the snake and spoke through the snake. Whether Satan spoke by using the snake's mouth or by some other means is uncertain. You forgot to add in the part about walking snakes as Genesis says snakes had legs before God cursed the serpent and its brood would be born without legs. The fossil record confirms there are ancient snakes that had legs but for some unknown reason they lost them. A friend of mine is an expert on snakes and used to own the 3rd largest python in captivity here in the United States. I mean this guy is a snake master. I've gone snake hunting with him before and this guy has bad eye sight and yet can see a snake in very tall grass 200 yards away!! No shit either. What this guy says about snakes in scripture. You just write down what he says and sow it into your Bible as an appendix. He says large snakes like boas and pythons have the means to grow legs but for some reason they can't. Though it should be noted that God cursed the snake which is why it can't grow legs anymore, Not even science can reverse the curse on the serpent.

    Say, isn't that a Merciful Fate song?

    "The curse of the serpent
    losing his legs (losing his legs)"
    :tickled::rofl::D

    Cain married his sister (Genesis 5). Even ancient tradition holds to this.
    Since mankind lived to be 1000 years old, Adam and Eve's descendants would become a threat to Cain. So Cain is fearful of others who he may run into during his lifetime.

    There is no Ancient Astronaut Theory and I know this for a fact. For one, provide me the quotes from Babylon which support the claim that the Anunnaki transformed the Neanderthal into a Sumerian? They claim its found in the Enuma Elish but its not there. They lie. You will find zero evidence to verify the Ancient Astronaut Theory. I've debated this extensively and never even came close to losing a debate. Once you realize none off their claims can be verified you no longer take those mystics seriously.

    This Michael Tellinger sounds like a mystic and you never listen to mystics. All ancient accounts record a Flood that covered the mountains. That does not sound global to me. I got into collecting Babylonian documents for the sole purpose of debunking atheists online. And boy have I done a whole lotta debunking over the years! The History Channel had to close down their forum on FB because I exposed two many claims made by the channel about things quoted in Babylonian texts. I proved that no such quotes existed.

    Sedimentary rock! Why don't people know this stuff? Its basic geology 101. The dinosaurs are found in sedimentary rock. This means they drowned to death. Firestorms do not leave behind a fossil record in sedimentary rock. But water does. This means the K-T event never happened.

    How about those worms supposedly discovered by NASA? Do you honestly believe that worms can feed on nothing and still live? The planet is dead. How do I know this? Mars has no magnetic field which mans the core of the planet is dead. This, in turn, means the soil on Mars cannot produce needed nutrients to grow food or feed worms. There is no life on Dead Red. The core of the planet is dead and there is not a single active volcano on the planet which confirms the planet is dead.
     
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    The picture taken from the ancient Buddhist Temple in Cambodia is of a Stegosaurus and everybody knows that except atheists, of course. The cave painting is from the Amazon rain forest in northern Peru. In fact, Peru has many Sauropod artifacts.

    Clearly those Buddhists saw something they admired, maybe even worshiped, as dinosaur (aka, dragon) worship was common in ancient times and some of these dragon tales and pics look like well known dinosaurs.
     
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    all this is based on the ridiculous idea of people living close to 1 thousand years
    which is clearly bullshit, ancient people noticed that even the healthiest people only lived to 120, and pretended Noah's Flood was a global event to explain the mysterious cap on human lifespan, those same people noticed some kind of reptile that lived more than 120, and that's the explination of the ancient stories about "dragons living longer than people"

    if Cain's wife was NOT his sister, then according to Tellinger and David Icke, this could explain why Native Americans can't grow facial hair (Mark of Cain being beardlessness) and/or why Cain's descendents were listed by name (the didn't die in Noah's local flood) and/or why the Olmec statues had AFRICAN facial features (Adam and Eve were Black) in any of those events, Noah's Flood wasn't global and Cain's banishment involved being moved out of the area affected by the flood

    behemoth and leviathan could more easily have been animals that didn't exist untill after dinosaurs became extinct
     
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    You have a lot to learn about the ancients. Now how long did dinosaurs live I do not know. But all life back then lived longer. This is no mystery either. After the Flood the ultraviolet radiation from the sun increased which, in turn, gradually decreased the life span of humans and animals etc. Reptiles can continue to grow as long as they are living. A dinosaur isn't born huge. It would have been born small and gradually grew large until it became our textbook picture of a dinosaur. Long life span are recorded in all ancient antiquity. But the Biblical account shows a more realistic account in which these long life span gradual are reduced to where they are today.

    Cain's wife was his sister and every scholar from every denomination agrees. You will find no reputable scholars who agree with anything Tellinger and David Icke say. You do realize that Icke is a Nazi sympathizer, right? Neither of them are credible sources of information nor will you find a serious person anywhere to agree with their hate speech and bigotry.

    Noah's Flood not global? I challenge you to prove that from ancient manuscripts. Maybe you can explain to me how families of whales found their way up in the Andes mountains? For there are several whale fossils in the Andes as well as other mountain ranges. In fact, there are marine fossils at the peak of Mt.Everest.

    Now according to the description in the Bible. You'd have to make up your own description to turn them into known animals and that is not how you analyze the texts. You take the description provided there and stick with it. What known animal today has a tail that sways like a cedar tree?
     
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    http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/26/science/la-sci-sn-mass-whale-grave-yard-20140226

    http://www.thoughtco.com/geology-of-mount-everest-755308

    https://www.quora.com/Why-were-seas...n-found-on-tall-mountain-tops-like-Mt-Everest
     
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    All three links are evolutionists trying to explain-away the fossil evidence. But how fossils become fossils to begin with? Well, for starters, fossilization is very rare and things that die do no just turn into fossils. This geological uplift excuse does not explain how these fossils became fossils and without an explanation for that the excuse given by atheists is lame. Plus they give you an excuse that is highly unscientific because there is no way of testing and observing it. But there is something that has been observed to be true. Its called whale falls. When a whale dies it's bones are eaten by zombie worms until there are no bones lift. This process takes less than a decade to achieve.


    So the geological uplift tale is debunked by real science which refutes the pseudoscience of evolution. There are no whale fossils produced by whale falls. This means there are no fossils that tectonic plates can place up high in the Andes. So how did those whale fossils find their way up in the Andes? They swam there when the waters of the Flood were high enough to cover the mountains. These whales were buried in the sediments where they become fossils. That is real science and I take real science over witchcraft any day.

    Every ancient antiquity in the world records the same global Flood. Geology confirms it. The Flood is a fact. It did happen.
     
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    And you're a creationist trying to explain away scientific theory and evidence.
     
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    Cain's wife NOT being his sister actually explains away all the weirdness in all the genealogy charts of everyone born before Moses
    it's all about preservation of mitochondrial DNA
    people existed before the Garden of Eden, Cain's punishment was not being able to breed with Eve's daughters
    the 4 females on Noah's Ark had a completely totally different set of mitochondrial DNA than Cain's wife
    preservation of Mitochondrial DNA explains why Abraham's children are "counted through Isaac instead of Ishmael"
    why Eleazar of Damascus is instructed to get a bride for Isaac "from Abraham's family"
    it explains the horribly inbred family tree of Jacob, with Jacob who is already horribly inbred himself breeding with his 2 cousins Rachel and Leah who are also horribly inbred
    Sarah, Rebecca and Rachel are all referenced as having "beautiful faces" but check the genealogy charts
    this hillbilly family is so fucking inbred that these 3 women have all inherited the exact same beautiful face, their faces "being beautiful" is a just a fucking-strong-as-hell family-resemblance
    and even the story of Dinah being raped and the brothers freaking out and killing a whole freaking city (Gen 34) and the story of Judah and Tamar (Gen 38) where Tamar's mitochondrial DNA needs to be preserved
    it's all about the preservation of Mitochondrial DNA
    there are even references (still in Genesis) to Matriarchal tribes where a small genealogy chart shows a woman as being the daughter of someone who is the daughter of someone who is the daughter of someone
    there's also a Genesis passage where a woman "Timna" is being referenced as "Lotan's sister" this being shortly followed by a list of eleven names of "chieftans" that includes Timna's name, with some historians thinking that the other ten names in this list are all female
     
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    also
    the size of Noah's Ark
    a huge ass amount of people are convinced the word "tail" was actually an elephant's trunk, but to believe that Job saw a fucking brontosaurus is completely ludicrous, also, Leviathan is pretty clearly a crocodile
     
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    the top of the Andes being, at one point, under water, does not actually prove "global flood"

    if every ancient antiquity in the world describes a flood with a boat-filled-with survivors, you can't prove that all the boats were really one boat
    in fact, you can actually prove that they weren't
    if "the flood" was actually global, then at that point, each of those people-surviving-on-a-boat stories would actually have to have been different boats to account for the amount of genetic variation in humans alive today
    and once you acknowledge that the differences in these stories (some extremely detailed and complicated) actually precluding these stories from being mere re-tellings of "just one" boat story
    then at that point, you're actually back at square-1, the 38 different boat stories could have been from up to 38 different floods

    i'm getting the number "38" from a Christian-written book actually trying to prove Noah's flood really was global, btw

    also
    the size of Noah's ark is a problem
    Noah's ark isn't measured in miles or acres
    it's measured in cubits and spans
    Noah's ark was small enough that in order to get 2 of every animal (7 of some), the ark would have had to have been carrying (at least some) DNA samples instead of actual animals, even if you're not gonna do the whole bit about dinosaurs being on the ark
     
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    Creationism really stops making sense by the time you start having a sex drive
     
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    this actually kinda indicates that "The Father of Jesus" might not be "the inteligent designer" of the universe
     

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