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Discussion in 'CoB Off-topic' started by TheKid, Nov 18, 2009.
i com from a katholic famly but i do not belief in god
neither in spelling, it seems
lol, i know my english is not the best but i try ok i hope you understand
pretty dismal way to look at things, so what is reality to you? all the evidence supporting the existence of a soul/consciousness mean nothing? what about OBE's, near-death experiences, chakra's etc. ?
You've got real evidence of that? I'm sure there's a whole scientific community who's dying to get their hands on this, you should distribute it.
Reality is simply this : we are animals. We live, we die, we evolve. All that "evidence" is based on speculation. Soul, spirit, all of that, to me, is pure nonsense. Near-death experience is once more based on the speculation of those who experienced it. Hallucinations exist. In a state of panic/chock, it's extremely likely to happen.
The way I like to see things, is do what you have to do, try to help the others as much as possible, whilst taking good care of your fellow. Time is short, so I try to use it well. By using well I mean doing things that will give you pleasure, fun, or knowledge. So yeah, just acting retarded while being drunk is an important thing to me, as long as you do it for yourself. I guess my point of view is really selfish, but I'm not ashamed of it.
Well, my rule nr.1 is you need to explain what "god" stands for to you before questioning 'his' existence. Do you mean you don't believe in the old man with a beard sitting on a cloud at the edge of Heaven's castle? Neither do I. But if you actually understand what the hell it means, god is actually a synonym to love, to express it as simply as possible. So you either fail to understand the symbolism, or refuse to. I think I understand the meaning behind the word, but when I'm discussing things, I never use the word God (NEVER bring religions into universal science, it's so annoying) but rather use something like "universal love." As for soul, I think that's not something difficult to understand at all, the term is even used in modern psychology. It's not a pale blue ghost entity that drifts away from your body when you die.. you should understand this yourself, I don't even need to explain..
Scientifically the universe is such a marvellous place I don't even consider it too hard to believe consciousness excels after the passing of our physical body. When we take that to science, it's been proven with tests there's actually vibrations of consciousness in TISSUES both flesh and plant.
In my opinion, claiming we're just "meat and bones" is an outright denial of the versatility of life and disrespectful imo. Do you honestly think you're just shut down after you die? That's so pathetic. I feel for you. Probably 90% of the people who actually study this have come to the conclusion this kind of consciousness triumphs after the mere body decays away.
If you imagine our sun is the size of a piece of sand merely visible to the eye, there is a sun called Canis Majoris which would be the size of a water melon compared to it. 5000 light years away from here. Can you imagine that? I doubt. Now you still can't imagine a small thing such as our consciousness continuing after death?
In my opinion what most of these Atheists should do is realize how amazing this universe is and stop arrogantly believing they know everthing about it. When you let people know you're an Atheist, I think it tells more things about your way of thinking than just your take on the religion. That's what it's all about. I would never marry an Atheist woman, because I don't want to live with a person who thinks the universe is just shiny dots on the sky she sees on her way home from work, and refuses to believe there may be something after this. All I'm certain of is anything is possible.
There is NOTHING "normal", everything is damn amazing to have come to being. Someone may think sauna is a normal thing about daily life, but when I'm in the sauna I enjoy thinking how cool it is to be in a place like this in the limitless universe and how these wooden blanks were born and how they got here. You see the difference?
Fundamentalists are of course just as bad. Helpless people who read the bible with a 4 year old's eyes. Most of Atheists have stuck to the state of mind of a 10 year old who realizes Santa Claus doesn't exists, and haven't developed to the point where they understand symbolism. (Majority of people don't have an opinion on anything however..) There are of course more clever Atheists among them, who maybe understand but just don't like to be involved with anything symbolic or "misleading" so that those who do not understand it would think they're weird or hippie.
Religion is a lot of things, tradition, history, stories... But the reason it's still here is the ethical and spiritual lesson written "between the lines" taught often in symbolic fashion to appeal to little children so the lessons go to their brain at a young age and become a part of them. When you just realize that, there is the entire universe to study, how material and life came to being, how love controls everything, and some other interesting and shocking truths to seek such as ufology.
i was trying to formulate a response akin to something like this but didn't feel like it, you hit it on the head man. best thing ive EVER heard you say. maybe your not such a jewnass after all?
*I'm a kid. I listen to metal and I'm an atheist. Shame on all the religions who try to brainwash people.
*I'm a satanist, but i really don't know how to act or be like one. I might be an atheists, but i'll call myself a satanist since I listen to metal and it makes me look cool. I'm going to pretend that I've read a lot of religious texts so it makes me seem smart, and my points valid, when i've just read about them on wikipedia.
* What???? A kid?? Your opinions must be retarded due to your young age lol.
* Images, Images, Images. See, when you look at the funny and smart images that I have posted, you know that I'm always going to be right.
*OMG fuck off and die, COBOT is like so immature. It can't be due to the idiotic posts I have made that people are acting like dicks to me.
* Lol maturity on COBOT? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Guys, we need to come up with a new formula for thread discussions.
For the record, i'm not a little kid. I'm 17, if you want to consider me a kid go ahead. But i'm actually every smart, many time's i've been called wise beyond my years. And i get Genius level scores on all of the standardized tests i take. I understand how saying i'm a satanist creates a backlash, i do, i realize it sounds cliche and dumb. But i'm still going to say it....maybe in your eyes i am just an atheist, and that's fine for you to see it that way. And i have read the religious texts that i spoke of earlier, as i did a 15 pager long paper on religion, in regards to how the religious texts set out guidelines for the religious to follow, then comparing the guidelines to the actual action patterns of the religious. Sorry that you guys feel the way you do about what i said, but i do consider myself to be a smart person for my age, and have proven, through tests and such that i'm smarter even that most people (PERIOD)
i remember wen Codi said he was a genius, oh the laugher, good days. Just for the record, been smarter than the average in america, is not really something to be proud of.
Well you sound like quite the stereotypical degenerate illiterate metal head retard in every single one of your posts, so this "Genious" mind of yours, you might want to start using it.
I hate how religion says that humans go to heaven and animals don't. We are fucking animals, we're not special.
Also a lot of near-death experiences can be explained because of the brain's lymbic system, which controls strong feelings of euphoria, and is especially affected by low levels of oxygen, which, surprise surprise, can happen if you're DYING.
If you're referring to me with that first one, I'm not an atheist.
Seriously though, there's a difference between keeping an open mind and believing every spiritual bitch-tit theory they can pump out, and its because of people who do, that the world "spirituality" has gotten pretty negatively laden to me.
I find spirituality and alternative shit extremely hard to take seriously, because i am yet to have someone give me any proper arguments that don't rely on beliefs or argumentum ad populum.
Either way, Religious thread = Trolling paradise, almost as bad as politics thread
life is fucking dismal
joonas, i just caught that edit you made to that post before...
did you read the holographic universe?