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Discussion in 'Nevermore' started by El Stormo, Dec 21, 2008.
Yeah it is pretty crazy, I know a few people who have this problem.
Brooks, have you considered that perhaps the poverty of your imagination has led you to interpret your experiences as something they were not?
Perhaps in much the same way that Moses probably didn't speak to God, but rather had a Jamesian P.I.N.T experience triggered by biology but choosing to interpret it as a God speaking to him, owing to his inability to understand it as anything else.
Well, of course.
That's why I haven't started a religious sect worshiping the almighty Glogg of planet Slorn.
Just relating my experience as I had it.
And that still doesn't mean there aren't many layers to this reality, if only as a tangential observation.
Indeed. Much (para)psychological research into alien abductions cases believes that the event is some form of a shift in reality layers, as you put it. In many respects one really is abducted, just not by E.T in a spherical ship.
I experienced sleep paralysis just once... I think it was like three years ago. You're all right. I felt that extreme fear, but couldn't place why I felt that way other than the fact that I couldn't move a muscle. I eventually fell out of the bed somehow like 5-10 minutes later and I could move again. It sort of reminded of me going under for surgery, except when I had surgery a few years back, I could still move a little. (duh, until i passed out)
Likewise. I still get lucid dreams, but they always just happen. I can never actually come to the conclusion in dreamland that I'm dreaming. It just happens where I can do whatever I want, whether it's jump hovering down the sidewalk, doing backflips over a 50 foot fence or kicking over brick walls, etc. Those dreams are awesome but I never realize they're lucid until I wake up. Then I feel bummed out that I didn't know and couldn't take more advantage of it.
Never had sleep paralysis before, and although it sound utterly frightening, I still wouldn't mind experiencing it, just to know what it's like and to be able to say that I have and have a better understanding of it.
I think the very existence of this thread points to the fact that experience and understanding are not as inextricably linked as most people assume.
I've always thought that. I think this also is not black and white. I've never tried cocaine but I can understand what people get out of it. I've never jumped out of an airplane, but I think I can imagine what it'd be like. I've never met you in person, but I think we'd get along pretty well.
I've had false awakenings before. It had gotten to the point where I'd be at school (irl) and hesitate to joke about something that happened earlier before first class because I couldn't decide whether or not it actually happened.
I've also had many lucid dreams. The one I remember best was when I was a zombie. To make it short, I was attacked by zombies, they left, I realized I was a zombie, I noticed my intestines were falling out my side and I specifically remember thinking to myself "Man this would really suck if it wasn't a dream."
Ahh yeah that's happened to me too.
- "Man, I hope I wake up soon, this dream is getting annoying."
- "This is ridiculous and I refuse to believe it's real. I have to be dreaming right now."
- "Well I really screwed up this time. If I'm lucky this is a dream and I'll wake up soon."
- "Too bad this is all a big dream and my brain is playing jokes on me and torturing me. Don't go Olivia Munn!! DON'T GOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
One of the strangest dreams I have had has happened a few times. It starts with me in a pro football team's lockerroom (it's ALWAYS the Washington Redskins... no idea why) and the rest of the team giving me a pep talk. I've just made the pros at Wide Receiver and I'm about to head out to the field for my first NFL game. I always wake up before the game actually starts. As soona s it starts I know I'm dreaming... but I still never remember to grasp it and try to control it.
I never saw false awakenings next to Sleep paralysis. False awakenings are the worst, I get them moderately.
I think i have had a few false awakenings, but they don't last long i'll usually get up and start to get ready then i'll wake up for real. I usually don't dream much and when i do it's pretty small things but theres been a few instances where i will dream of a movie or song or something and for some reason either a year or two later when im watching or listening to something i will have a case of Deja-Vu and realize that it was exactly like in my dream. It will be it's opening day of a movie and i'll sit there and tell my friends in detail whats going to happen next, because i remember it from my dream.
not anything crazy like sleep paralysis or false awakenings, but weird none the less.
thats happened to me a couple times. once when I was 4 I dreamed of a blue semi turning around in my court when I was outside with my friend cody, 2-3 weeks later it happens exactly like my dream I'm like wtf? happened when I was like 12 had some dream of being in class and everyone around was talking to each other, then like a couple months? in class and this girl said something I'd heard before and then I thought about what had just happened before she set me off and it was exactly like my dream.
couple other times but its never anything important, I was really scared when I was like 14 and had a nightmare about running over my dog in my dads truck.
Had a couple lucid dreams, I was walking out of my back door and these black lincoln government cars fly over the house and I just know they're after me somehow so I'm running to my neighbors house to get away and I stop and say hey... those were flying cars with matrix looking agents in them... I'm dreaming. and then I starting acting like goku on these agent dudes, like I blew up most up my back yard killing these guys, then I fucked the shit out of my hot neighbor and fixed everything with my god powers. in the other one I got shot and didn't die so then I promptly dispatched the shooter and I think I lost control of the dream before I got laid. oh well.
I also sometimes when I went to school, I'd wake up and go through my morning routine and be on the way to school or at school, and then I'd wake up again, in my room alarm going off I'm not ready at all and I'm like wtf is going on? I thought I was up? fuck.
man I'm glad I haven't had as many sleep paralysis as you all that sounds bad, I remember I was pretty scared, and HOLY SHIT I kinda thought I might have been being scanned too! but after a while I just rationalized it and calmed down and waited then eventually I guess I woke all the way up.
Haha this is almost sig-worthy!
It's still an important link, though.
Kevin may know what cocaine does, but there's no way he could possibly understand what it does unless he experiences it for himself.
Kinsey started getting into freaky sex after he started researching it. I could study textbooks on guitar playing for years, know everything there is to know, and then be lost when I actually put one in my bands.
In fact, it may just be that the people that deliberately deny experimentation may actually be doing more harm than good. Who knows what be uncovered from a certain individual's reaction to an experience?
Progress is born from action, not apathy.
That post makes me think of my dad, who won't even DRIVE THROUGH downtown Seattle unless it's 100% unavoidable. He never takes forward steps towards anything, he's just content in his little teeny tiny bubble of life. The fact that my sister and I actually got him out to a Seahawks game last year is a miracle all itself. And he actually loved it, go figure. He's still not into experiencing new things though, kinda bums me out sometimes. There's so much stuff out there I know he'd love if he'd only allow himself the opportunity to try it.
It's frustrating sometimes having to listen to him tell me how he thinks I should be conducting my life in a place he won't even step foot into, much less understand at all.
A funny study was done last year about the differences in neuro-pathways between liberal leaning and conservative leaning people.
They found that while on driving commutes, if there was something blocking people's path, like for instance, a fallen tree in the middle of a road, liberal minded people are much quicker to take a detour with less frustration than conservative people, who were more likely to get mad and take a long time in deciding to take the same detour. The liberal-minded people literally had more advanced neuro-structures for novelty and openness.
Makes sense, right?
For the record, I'm the guy who takes detours just for fun
Totally makes sense, my dad's very conservative and he'd sit on his ass until his blood boiled before he tried to find a detour. Me, I rarely even go the same way wherever I go (except to work because my route is so easy and fast).
What evolved monkeys we be!