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Discussion in 'Pop Culture' started by Mythos Inibri, Feb 22, 2006.

  1. Mythos Inibri

    Mythos Inibri Undead User

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    I enjoy cigars immensely but I only smoke them here at home.I could see how non-smokers would be offended by them but the cigarette issue amazes me.this country is full of alot of whiny little crybabies seeings how it is so full of nuclear missiles and other weapons of mass destruction.
     
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    Mitton The Geordie

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    I dont really smoke only when in bars with my mates or if I just fancy one. But I think it would help smokers if they went into a bar and wernt tempted to have a cigarette, in places like Ireland the smoking population has decreased due to the Smoking ban so I think it could be benificial.
     
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    Really? I've never had that problem unless I've been in an incredibly smoky room for a long time. Or if I'm just tired.
     
  4. Turbo

    Turbo Natursekt Black Metal

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    Its probably a combination of smoke and warmth. Either way I look like a fucking crack smoker all the time :p.
     
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    Arttiv Ist krieg!

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    Air-conditioning may have the tendancy to push the cigarette smoke into the non-smoking area.

    Your withdrawl complaints would be nothing in comparison to me, an asthma sufferer, having an attack induced by second-hand cigarette smoke entering my lungs. You have two legs, if you wish for a cigarette that badly, it doesn't take much effort to step outside for a few minutes to smoke instead.

    As Demiurge pointed out, you most likely aren't the only person in the area who is smoking, especially if it's a public foundation such as a restaraunt, bar or club. Smoke does travel, and toxins are within that smoke - not to mention that some people have higher senses to things than others and that isn't by choice, either. Sitting beside a smoker, even when outdoors, can be uncomfortable for me and I try to avoid it whenever I can. The fact is that smoking is an optional choice made by people who want to smoke, not by non-smokers who force others to light one up.

    Why should non-smokers have to avoid places that they enjoy frequenting merely because they don't enjoy or benefit (health-wise) from what someone else chooses to do? I didn't choose to smoke, so I shouldn't be expected to leave whenever I have an issue with the residual smoke lingering around in the air near me. Smokers made the decision to smoke, they understand the effects that smoke inhalation can cause directly and indirectly and therefore they should be the one paying the consequences for their actions.

    If, for example, you dislike someone stabbing the people around you, should you leave or should you expect the person stabbing to leave and pay for the consequences of their choice? They chose to stab others, not you. Why shouldn't they pay for the decision they deliberately, willingly and consciously made for themselves? It doesn't take all that much effort to walk outside whenever you want a cigarette - I wish that smokers would stop passing the blame to others as being 'whiney' or something else merely because they aren't ready to take responsibility of their own actions.

    Not every non-smoker is able to just leave or avoid smokers whenever they have to encounter one, either. The option to not light a cigarette around others is always an option, though. There are plenty of other examples I could bring to the table that would most likely end with the culprit of the disturbance having to leave as opposed to those who have a problem with the culprit.

    Nuclear missiles and other weapons of mass destruction are less likely to affect peoples health on a daily basis than a cigarette. I have encountered more cigarette smoke in my life than I have a nuclear missile or other deadly weapon. People are concerned about cigarette smoke and second-hand inhalation slightly more than these weapons purely because they're a daily encounter, something that is likely to affect people on a much more frequent basis. That and the obvious fact that just about anyone can get their hands on a packet of cigarettes almost instantly - for billions of people worldwide to get their hands on thousands of nuclear missiles or weapons of mass destruction on a daily basis is impossible.

    I hardly imagine people go to places just for the opportunity to have a smoke. Bars, clubs and restaraunts do not close down just because people aren't able to smoke inside the facility; these places often shut down due to poor management, not because a handful of smokers decide, 'If I can't smoke inside, then I'm not going at all.'
     
  6. Mythos Inibri

    Mythos Inibri Undead User

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    i smoke alot.i don't go somewhere just to smoke.i do it everywhere that the crybabies don't whine about it and tattle-tale to the rent-a-cops.but there really oughta be smoking and non-smoking restaurants and bars kinda like a segregation of drinking and eating establishments.that way the complaining smoke-haters could eat in peace and people like me could enjoy our sinful nicotine indulgence's during conversation before or after meals or while drinking and playing billiards.
     
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    The Winnipeg Warrior The Winnipeg Warrior ®

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    I personally don't smoke and never have. However I will say that smoking in Europe and Asia is more apparent than here in North America. It is much more socially acceptable.....in restaurants, bars, and common areas. It seems that every second person you meet over there smokes. Especially amongst the younger crowd.....where the social pressures to conform are stronger.

    That's just my opinion. Canada is quickly becoming smoke free, and I'm happy for that. People will adjust. Besides, developing good habits are just as easy as bad ones. Especially when they are health related. And with the amount of information out there nowadays regarding smoking and second-hand smoke.....it's just the natural progression. No one is really fighting it that much here anymore. The ball was put in play long ago, and people are adapting. It's just a lifestyle change.
     
  8. Fredy_Brown

    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    I watch similiar threads on other boards and it funny to see the differences:
    Metal boards are pro-smorers and rock boards are aganist.
     
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    I know what you mean, in this country you cant even have a casual smoke while doing something else, you have to stop whatever you're doing to go outside and smoke, and that sucks.
     
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    Infinity Cubed Prophecy Of Imminent Doom

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    The new anti-smoking law in Washington is nothing more than an absolute fuckin' pisser, and that's all I've got to say about that.:Smokedev:
     
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    La Rocque I am that I am

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    As over 40000 people in the US die as the result of second hand smoking.
    I think all cigarette smokers should be arrested for attempted murder
    and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law -
     
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    But here the point is if someone sets of a nuclear lissile its going to kills hundreds of thousands of people in one go.
    Actually, it is true. I know a guy who lives in near Limerick in Ireland (where the smoking ban has been in place for 1 or 2 years, and the only metal club around there has had to close down because they have not had enough custom due to the smoking ban.

    I wonder what the ratio of non-smokers to smokers is in Britain? Because, given that this is apparently a 'democracy' then whoever forms the majority should decide.

    I also think that it kind of sucks that workers can't smoke so freely. At my work, we can't even smoke outside, we have to sit in our cars in the carpark. But what if you don't drive? Do 4 or 5 people huddle in a car in their uniform looking as cagey as a heroin addict? That doesn't make sense. Also, if you view it as an addiction, then they need it to function, just as ashmatics need their medicine and inhalers, and just as diabetics need their insulin.
     
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    Fredy_Brown The Line Begins To blur.

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    Ok, arrest people who drive cars too.
     
  14. derek

    derek Grey Eminence

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    The logic behind the smoking bad should not affect businesses. The idea is that since ALL bars have to ban smoke, then there exists no "other" choice for smokers to make, ergo...they all keep going to their usual haunts but just don't smoke.

    This is a classic argument that always ends up with smokers Vs non-smokers, and a reasonable solution can never be reached.

    Personally, after LONG debates, I don't care.
     
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    Well, I'm a non-smoker but to be honest I sympathise with the smokers as well as the non-smokers.

    Maybe with that club people just decided to stay at home with a group of people listening to metal and smoking. But the fact that it adversely affects business suggests it needs to be revised at least a little bit. Granted, there is the opinion that the smoking ban is good in Ireland because the streets are full of people smoking, and so it's a good atmosphere.

    Like most debates though, there is never a satisfactory conclusion.
     
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    derek Grey Eminence

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    So, some bars close and we all stop drowning our lives in beer, its not the end of the world.
     
  17. Mythos Inibri

    Mythos Inibri Undead User

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    I personally could care less about beer.I quit about 6yrs.ago.i don't give a shit if anyone drinks or not.but i don't get behind the wheel of a car and cause an accident because i smoke too many cigarettes.
     
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    Haha.. I do to use contact lenses but smoke have never irritated my eyes when I use them. But when I don`t use contact lenses the smoke irritates my eyes.
    So, are you sure you haven`t forgot those contact lenses. ? :lol:
     
  19. RockMyMonkey

    RockMyMonkey Formerly AbrasiveRock.com

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    It is the selfishness of the majority of smokers that caused this law to happen. It is that same selfishness that will make sure these kinds of laws are passed all over the world, because no one wants to think of themselves as the selfish ones. So the selfishness based comments like the ones you always see in 'debates' like this will continue to inspire everyone else to kick the smokers outside.
     
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    you're right...our only hope is to glorify tobacco and do our best to make more people pick up smoking...
     

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