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Superfast death metal I recorded/mixed: Blame - The Abyss [video]

Discussion in 'Bar' started by Max Morton, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. Max Morton

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    I must say I'm usually into slower/less extreme stuff as a mixer/producer, so it was an interesting (and very intense) experience for me. I'm quite proud with what we managed to achieve together with the band:



    What I loved is that they were not aiming for generic tones we usually hear nowadays. Almost clean sounding 6-string bass, super-dry drums, high-tuned snare drum, pretty sharp guitars (NOT peavey-mesa-sm57).

    Want to share this one with you:)
     
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    That sounds awesome! Any info on the drum/bass processing?

    Cheers,
     
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    Holy smokes, awesome job! Loving the vibey-ness of it

    My only complaint is that the guitars are a bit low in the mix imho
     
  4. Max Morton

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    Thank you gentlemen!

    Dan R: With drums, it's a live kit quite massively augmented with it's own samples. When it comes to 220bpm you can rarely keep things live in a punchy and clear modern mix. I spent a day tuning drummer's kit and micing things up. The room we were tracking in was a dry mid-sized room, and I used five overhead mics and only one Shure SM-7b stuck in an old double-bass in the middle of the room:) Sometimes you just need to act weird.
    I used "parallel comp" smashed samples of the kit, too. And also smashed "overhead" samples on snare and toms to bring up that dry room. Funny thing: you still need a lot of room, even if it is a dry room, to let drums sound as one kit.

    With bass, the bass player used Warwick Thumb bolt-on, it's a very mid-forward instrument with lots of character. I mainly used a clean DI signal, intensively equalized and compressed in several stages: a bit of 1176-like comp, a bit of multiband compression and some limiting in the end. Before the limiter, we chose to blend that DI signal with a tiny bit of midrangey guitar crunch to help it cut through guitars (but I automated that crunch a lot, we didn't want it to be too obvious) and then - parallel tape-like oversaturation that really helped it sound clean and soft, but still preserve all the details within a busy mix.

    MartijnPaauwe: Oh yes, I do agree on that! That's what we elected to sacrifice to bring up the clean-sounding bass. You know how it works sometimes. If you need to make an accent on a massive bass and in-your-face snare, some other elements may lose it's dominant role. But if you bring them up, you may need to bring those vocals up a tiny bit, then add a tad more overheads, and all of a sudden your bass has lost it's role the band was aiming for.
     
  5. DanLights

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    Love it! Very atypical mix, but it really works, the bass sounds delicious in a very non-standard metal bass way. Where can I hear more of this band?
     
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    Holy shit, that's sick !
    Love that kind of unconventional approach, very refreshing to listen.
    Reminds me a bit of the last JFAC "Sun Eater" release, maybe for the bass approach.

    Are these dudes from Ukraine ?
    Is this from a full lenght album ?

    Fucking love the drums !
    Would love to hear some infos on guitars too,
    and also intersted in the amount of editing work / how many time was needed (it would be my main fear working with that kind of music, but of course it depends a lot on the band abilities)
     
  7. He's Dead, Jim

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    Sounds fantastic. If the guitars weren't a 5150/Mesa/57, may I ask what they were? It has a really nice low-end thump that reminds me of a Rectifier, but it's also very pristine and crisp in the mids and highs.
     
  8. Max Morton

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    Wow, glad you guys like it!
    Yeah, the band is from Ukraine. It's a track from their debut EP. They're spreading it free, but I haven't found a worldwide link, so I just uploaded the .zip file to my dropbox, here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jd7s4k62ejipg0p/2014_-_Dark_Eyes_Ep.zip?dl=0

    And here's their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/blame.metal.ua

    TRUIE:

    Thanks man!
    Guitars are Axe-FX II with two blended hi-rez cabinets and a healthy amount of delicate equalization. ENGL model with some tweaking. Real tube screamer, if I remember right.

    It's always more work when it comes to technically advanced or more complex material. Especially when tracking stuff. More takes, more attention to timing and tuning. Surely there was editing - it is always applied to modern production. You have to be much more attentive cos you have so many hits/notes. It may be hard, but on the other hand when recording simple music, each note or hit is revealed more, so you have to pay as much attention.
    I love working with simple music, but I'm afraid that there are not so many musicians who CAN play and love keeping it simple. If you know what I mean:)
     
  9. Nuno Filipe

    Nuno Filipe You talkin' to me?

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    Sorry to be one man!lol but the drums sound really weird and programmed, the snare has no low end, sticks out too much in a really weird way and I do like different snares ala deftones with a lot of crack but this one just feels out of place IMO, not just the snare, also the toms. Anyway the rest sounds cool.

    Props for trying a different aproach in this saturated style.
     
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    It was quite cool but yeah that upfront bass pretty much eats up the whole spectra. Cool but probably a bit tiring in the long run. I've listen to the other songs seems like the leveling is a bit better like in the song Blind slaves, maybe the bass is a bit more relaxed there (haha). But yeah great work, I know how hard it can be with that fast paced music, there are always compromises to be made!
     
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    Am not really qualified to comment on the mix (although I liked the drums in particular) but thought to post to at least say I thought the song slayed. :kickass:
     
  12. Max Morton

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    Nuno Filipe: That's OK man:) The only thing I have to argue with you is that a high-pitched piccolo snare can't have more low-end if not blended with a lower-tuned sample. Everything else you said is actually valid. What matters is the attitude. In this particular production things you've mentioned are flavors, not mix issues. Funny thing is that there were like 7 mixes made, with less bass guitar, with deeper snare (had to add a lower sample to give it anything fundamental below 200 Hz), with different guitars. This one is THE mix, with all these nuances which I agree on.

    He's Dead, Jim: Thanks! Haven't noticed your comment while typing an answer, but it seems I've answered it anyway:) BTW, guitar was a custom built 8-string with a Seymour Duncan Blackout.

    crillemannen: Thanks mate! Your opinion is important.
     
  13. Mago

    Mago Austrian Blech Machine

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    Really dig the tones dude! Wouldn't have thought of an axe fx on those guitar tbh!

    Usually I find myself wishing for louder bass and lower vocals in a lot of productions, but here it went a bit overboard.
    As awesome as I find the bass sounds, it's really really loud and distracting at some parts. Together with the loud drums it really eats a lot into the vocals and the guitars.

    So for me it's more of a balance rather than a tone thing here!
    Great unique work non the less.

    Oh, and that hard cut of the overhead/drum tail at the end fucks my brain really hard :lol:
    Was that on purpose, didn't you hear it or fault of the video editor?
     
  14. Genius Gone Insane

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    :yow: LOVE what you did with the bass! Gamechanger??
     
  15. Max Morton

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    Mago: oh no oh no!:)) I'm too anal about any fades, cross-fades, any garbage in pauses and stuff like that! So it's not me. Thanks for mentioning:)

    Genius Gone Insane: Thanks man! What's the gamechanger? Sounds familiar, but I couldn't google it out for sure. It's ringing on the back of my mind.
     

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