As you can see this arena is full of arseholes! I don't normally jump down peoples throats but FFS I wish some posters would retract cock from mouths. I spent a long time learning to mix I think if there wer enot so many pricks out there insulting the living shit out of you life would be easier. Its natural to assume that the sounds you want are from plug ins, but all someone really need to say bluntly was NO CHANCE. Plug ins dont make you sound like a band or a player, you do that, the plug ins enable you to polish your mix into a professional sound. So I wouldn't spend much time using them to start with, learn about getting good recorded sounds into your computer first, worry about plugins later. I think forums are full of many who have been around for a long time and they just become cocky which explains why some of them will never make it in the music industry. The real heros are the ones like Erms (not to isolate the others but hes a true to the word bloke) who always provide good assistance. To the rest of you insulting away its just a shame, a waste of time and shows you why you always moaning about "using the search function" - many would had you not covered them in this bullshit we have to tripe through to find stuff.