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Discussion in 'GMD Social Forum' started by cookiecutter, Jul 26, 2007.
I think you forgot your medication today, dear.
Of course, one has to ask how hard it would be to interpret that as an allegory for any of a billion other historical events.
It's the most likely allegory, seeing as John was writing this letter to all the GREEK churches, in a land subject to ROMAN law.
Point taken. Not sure how you would ever go about proving a theory like that, though.
How does regretting an outcome mean he didn't see it coming? Then you start getting into free will and predestination on which you could go round and round with. I don't pretend to know the answer on that.
Let's look at this practically. So lets say he had ordered them to wipe out everyone except the infants. Then what? They either die from no one to care for them, or they grow up, find out their parents were killed and turn into a whole new problem. People do get hurt by decisions that others make, and infants in this case were hurt from decisions made by the Amalekites as an entire nation.
As far as Rev 14 goes it is the only verse I have found that references eternal torment for humans. Rev 20 actually only references eternal torment for the Satan, false prophet, and the beast.There are a lot of other verses referencing a death of the soul.Either way, you are acting like there isn't an out. The asshole thing would be if there was no out.
"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" Ezekiel 33:11.
Edit: Also, you could say that it seams outlandishly cruel, but maybe thats because none of us understand how bad sin really is?
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Mat 10:28 And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered up and burned with fire; so shall it be in the end of the world.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Sounds final to me.
All you need to do is to look at Job to see that even the Bible itself portrays God as, erm, less than omniscient.
Why dont you tie a stone to your leg and jump in the ocean? You can believe up some air while your down there.
And believe me a cheeseburger while you're at it, and some chili cheese plz.
I really fucking want a cheeseburger right now.
Out of nowhere, it's Cairath!
You're not a lady anymore
Well it's not like she changed her name to MisterValerie.
there are several clues in Revelation that back up what Zeph is saying... such as the Seven Heads of the Beast being called Seven Hills and as everyone knows Rome was called the city on Seven Hills... etc. it's too much info to get into but Zeph is basically correct.
One of the reasons I really doubt the credibility of the bible. Also in biblical times they didn't really have freedom of speech.
The seven hills and spiritual Babylon are references to Jerusalem. Mis-interpretation comes from not reading all the other verses on the same subject.
And what in Job indicates un-omniscience?
Out of all the reasons to doubt the Bible's credibility, this one doesn't make any sense. There is a reason the prophets were getting killed, hint: it wasn't for saying what the kings wanted to hear.
I am sorry to hear this. But you can't expect to interface with God as with a vending machine. Only coming to him in times of trouble for a bailout. There is nothing in scripture which teaches this. In fact it says, "if you abide in me and my words abode in you, you will ask whatever you wish and it shall be given to you", which is a very conditional promise. I do not mean to minimize what you faced or patronize you in any way. I don't know your situation and I am making some presumptions about your relationship with God (forgive me if I am wrong). I can understand how that can affect one's faith, but faith is part of what is needed to get past a disappointment like this. Faith is not: just enough belief to convince God you are worthy of the requests you make. Faith is continuing to believe even in moments when it doesn't seem to make sense.
Another on that whole vending machine analogy.
Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may spend it in your pleasures.