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Discussion in 'Bar' started by Plendakor, Nov 27, 2012.
Magnetic north at the time of construction perhaps?
You throw away giant stone structures built from the top on down, do ya? =P
How does that give you the distance light travels in 1/299,792,458 of a second in a vacuum(the current definition of a meter) or 1/10,000,000 of the distance from the equator to the north pole (the old definition)?
Even with all of the information you've described they'd have to arrive at the same arbitrary division to come up with a meter.
The water clocks that Egyptians used were very basic and not very accurate. They did not realize at the time that humidity and evaporation affected accuracy (diminishing flow). Furthermore, they were mostly used at night and not on a 24-hour basis. So, no, they weren't able to "calibrate the fuck out of them." The Chinese and Greco-Roman water clocks were much more advanced and accurate on the other hand, and took into account aforementioned affects, but that wasn't until hundreds of years later.
Almost identical to our current meter could mean anything depending on who you ask. To some, it's a lot more than to others. At the end of the day, not an accurate meter as defined currently, regardless.
What do you think they honestly knew about stars? No telescopes, no advanced mathematics, no computers to help tackle immense calculations, no space travel and so on... no real understanding of stars other than positions. That's not that big of a deal. I can take a rock and throw it in my yard, chances are that it'll line up with something in space at some point in time and I wouldn't even be trying.
You are trying to make the Egyptians out to be way more advanced than they really were. I appreciate what they were capable of for their time as much as the next guy, but there's no need to sensationalize it.
I'd guess some kind of paintings for their gods, maybe they also thought they sit in the sky or something.
You are absolutely making my point here. You're just using THE cubit that suits your need... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_units_of_measurement I doubt they used a cubit acurate enough for your calculation to end up so close to the current speed of light value. It is awesome you end up with a random calculation so close to our current value yes, but that's about it. If the goal of the egyptians was to pass on their own knowledge in mathematics they would have FUCKING WRITTEN IT IN THEIR PYRAMID SO WE CAN READ IT AND GET IT and not HIDDEN IT IN THE PROPORTIONS OF THEIR PYRAMIDS AND NOT EVEN THEIR ACTUAL PROPORTIONS BUT THE DIVISION OF AN IMAGINARY CIRCLE PROPORTION TO ANOTHER ONE BOTH RELATIVE TO THE SQUARE BASE. Also, again, the meter is a recent invention, and it is a standard. When they were discussing about an universal standard, it could have been many things, they decided it should be "about that size" and thought about the quarter of a meridian 1/1O 000 000. The egyptians decided a good universal measure would be about the length of their elbow. Don't you see it's completely subjective to whoever decides the length of a unit ? In a parallel universe, they decided the meter would be something that would be 101cm to our standard, and your calculation would be wrong by 1%. In another one, they decided it would be an eight instead of a quarter, it would be 50cm to our current standard, and would be even closer to the egyptian royal cubit, and this parallel's world GGI would be even more enthusiastic because it would feed even more his fantasies. That's all
"The royal cubit was 523 to 529 mm"
I don't see a point in repeating my self anymore.
Because they wouldn't know how long the meridian is, now would they?
This is completely irrelevant to the case and existed in several civilizations before the egyptians.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.. its absolutely logical that they invented the pendulum several thousand years before any historical accounts of it existing and then proceeded to randomly invent the same measurement that the French did in the late 1700's, all this by using a pendulum that had to have been calibrated to create these specific modern measurements which they wouldn't really need at all.. and of course the small differences in this meter wouldn't cause a displacement when building a huge pyramid spanning over several hundred meters.. so the measurements are still very valid.
Its fucking genius.. its so logical and makes so much sense that my mind fucking imploded.. wow.
Except that dude is moving blocks on flat, concrete platforms..... Wales and the South West of England is mainly moorland.
I think it's generally accepted that the stone for Stonehenge was moved from Wales on timber rollers and shear-legs.
Just posted this to illustrate that with primitive technology even a single man can move huge blocks.
If you have as much manpower as I assume the Egyptians had it suddenly becomes much less far fetched to say they built the pyramid with muscle and simple wood constructions.
YES! Next year we will be more advanced and so on till we all die or the Damn Christians take over and pull us backwards.
The truth is, there just isn't any evidence to suggest that they didn't build the pyramids at Giza within 20 years and with copper tools. No amount of stargazing or introspective wonderment on your part is going to change that. It's the most rational and best guess we have got.
A large workforce got it done. That's all there is to it. There are parallels that can be drawn against medieval stone castles, but I wont bore you with the details. Fact is, "believers" such as yourself go out of their way to find something to make a conspiracy over... you types need marvel, suspicious, and magesty in your lives.... fuck knows why you can't just marvel at the notion that 30,000+ men build a massive pointy hill over the course of 20 years... no... it has to be aliens or some shit.
Case fucking closed.
They did it with magic and rainbows. That and secrete knowledge that somehow died with them.
No, they weren't, and no, they didn't. Their water clocks, as I already said and you skipped over apparently, suffered from diminishing flow, big time (no pun intended). Humidity, evaporation... counteracting those things is a huge part of having an accurate water clock. The ancient Egyptians did not even know or understand this, so how could their water clocks be accurate? Answer: they weren't.
And, again as I said, they did not use water clocks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Priests used them at night most of the time. So, no, again, they did not count that many seconds a year. Water clocks was just a bad example, man.
2:30 yes, but that means 1 block at a time. There were thousands, or tens of thousands, of people working on the pyramid, they'd be a pretty piss poor workforce if they only did one block at a time.
Why is it so hard for you to believe they used copper and wood tools? They used them, we know this because we have found artifacts of them. We know this because that's all they could have had at the time. Copper in general is a soft metal, but not too soft to work on stone... Copper was also good enough for weapons until the next best metal was found, remember that.
What about the evidence of water erosion on the base of the Sphynx?
I think most modern egyptologists agree that the structures on the Giza plateau were built 5-7000 years ago (or something like that), but that area hasnt had enough water to cause that sort of erosion in 18-20000 years. If you think the pyramids were built by a Pharaoh that lived 5000 years ago, who built the Sphynx? And why is it that everything built by the egyptians AFTER the pyramids was of lesser quality and almost seems to be an attempt at emulation. The ancient egyptians did speak of a civilization that existed long before them called Zep Tepi (the First Time). Maybe it was this civilization that built these structures. Just playing Devil's Advocate here. I enjoy these types of discussions. And most of you guys seem pretty smart with all the math and everything.