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The Inconvenient Science of Racial DNA Profiling

Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by death metal black metal, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. Nile577

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    I think his post was excellent. Clearly genetics IS. The body is an embodiment of Human Being, but to dispose of that Being as an object of bio-determinism is muddle-headed and nonsensical. The "reality" that scientism seeks is only the gestell of technological thinking, the abandonment of mindfulness and the forgetting of the question of Being. The science of "Eugenics" commodifies the body and obscures what is "ownmost" to human Being. Squabbling over its "evidence" is mindless cave-chatter.
     
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    Man, everything is so muffled and distorted in this cave...
     
  3. death metal black metal

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    Back in reality-land, stuff has to get done.

    Eugenics removes those who aren't going to strive for higher being, and replaces them with people who can.

    When humans made fire, natural selection was over; we now have to do it for ourselves.

    The cave is made of words and concepts not correspondent to reality.
     
  4. Blowtus

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    Why?

    To what end?

    Why?
     
  5. The Poona of Peshwa

    The Poona of Peshwa Blood Glutton

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    Yeah, get real people! It's time for the blackmetal nietzschean army to arise and purify the undesirables from the human race so they can all listen to burzum and wipe their asses with pine-cones. Has anyone here seen "legalize murder"? The best scene is where the larger brother is playing video games in corpsepaint and talking about how people don't understand the reality of life.
     
  6. Justin S.

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    OldScratch,

    I find scoffers and mere cleverness repugnant. In my post, I couldn't help but take the piss—it's what happens when you spend time with Dostoevsky. Concerning condescension, you've laid it on rather thick yourself.

    However, my "play" masks an earnest severity. When I engage in polemics it is because there is no possibility for thoughtful engagement:
    "...philosophy is powerless within the region of prevailing self-evidences. Only in so far as these themselves change can philosophy have its say."

    It is unfortunate that you find my posting to be essentially empty and arrogant swagger, as my concerns and proposals are in themselves quite modest. It is appropriate that I have been evoking Kant, as his "project" with the first critique is also a modest one, often grossly misinterpreted as more high flown fantasy, a luxury for "academics" who can afford to overlook concrete, self-evident reality.

    Only when these dogmatic self-evidences are reigned in by a disturbed modesty can we genuinely undertake the task of thinking.
     
  7. The Poona of Peshwa

    The Poona of Peshwa Blood Glutton

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    Justin S., what do you think of evolutionary psychology?
     
  8. death metal black metal

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  9. OldScratch

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    I concede, that was more cheaply critical than I might have wished.(I had just returned from a Black Metal show - Dark Funeral/Naglfar...thus was filled with intolerance...and a bit of beer:Smug:)
    That said, I honestly find your way of "thinking" almost maddening to endure. But that, evidently is my problem not yours.
    Nevertheless, which dogmatic "self-evidences" do you take issue with? Don't talk past me - talk to me. What, dare I say, in layman's terms do you find so troubling about all this? Surely, you are not suggesting that an issue as sensitive, contentious, bitterly disputed, and volatile as the relationship between race and intelligence, is going to abide all manner of in-depth Kantian critique and acedemic exploration. Insisting that the tools of measurement themsleves(IQ) are hopelessly flawed leaves us at a bit of a loss, no? What then would you suggest? What, for instance, do you believe explains the persistent and much lamented "gaps" in acedemic achievement between racial-types?
    Though the measures may be perceived a nebulous or flawed, surely these "gaps" still exist in...reality! Or no?
    Or what if we just dismiss the idea of broadly measuring intellectual capacity entirely. What then shall we look to as an explanation of significant differences in acedemic achievement? Of scores on standardized testing? Of non-acedemic testing for municipal occupations(Police, Fire, Corrections, etc.), including spatial-thinking, reading comprehension, chronological orientation?

    I am always willing to admit that I am wrongheaded about any issue or argument. But you must show me where - you must offer alternatives beyond the idea that we are not "thinking" correctly from the outset - even if that be true! If so, then what manner of thinking would de-muddle such issues? How do we get past this mindless cave-chatter. Indeed, how do we agree upon what is real, for we live in a "real" world, no matter how polluted with illusion, folly and bad thinking that reality may be. If you simply wish to re-define the argument, set us on a proper path.
     
  10. BlackMetalWhiteGuy

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  11. death metal black metal

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    While I can't argue against this, there's a better reason for anti-multiculturalism: belief in a consensus of values, and the beauty it can produce.

    It's a big social taboo to admit inequality of individuals, races, genders, etc., so we are patient with those who are still coming to see these things as important.
     
  12. BlackMetalWhiteGuy

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    While I agree with your comment about the sensitivity of racial and gender inequality, I've never noticed that admitting inequality of individuals is even slightly taboo after elementary school. If I were to say that you're stupid compared to me because you're black, that would surely not be appropriate, but if I were to say that I'm smarter because you're just a genuinely stupid person, I doubt too many people would be offended.
     
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    Yes, I don't think people have too much issue with inequality as such. Sometimes they just don't want to know *why* things are unequal.
     
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    Do you mean individual inequalities - ie. on a person by person basis?

    Your second sentence is at the center of my whole position on this issue - it is precisely the why's and wherefore's, that at least MIGHT explain certain real or perceived inequalities that continue to vex society, and cause no small degree of tension - to say the least. The devil is in the "why."
     
  15. BlackMetalWhiteGuy

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    Funny you would mention the Devil, because last I knew, there was no "why" in religion :lol:

    EDIT: Do not take this post seriously.
     
  16. death metal black metal

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    This explains No Child Left Behind?

    They're working hard in public schools to eliminate any kind of competition.

    Some want to eliminate AP classes. The suggestion is that smarter students "work harder," not that they're smarter.

    So I've got to reject your anecdotal argument with some anecdotal material, and one big giant political mention that suggests you're offbase here.
     
  17. BlackMetalWhiteGuy

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    No Child Left Behind is a terrible example, as it is one of the most scrutinized and unpopular programs of the entire Bush administration, following the war.
     
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    There are plenty of other programs like it!
     
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    That is exactly it. You can't deny the evidence of races, but the goal of many are to look past these facts and bring everyone, of all races, together anyway.
     
  20. Blowtus

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    yes... co-operation and care is such a terrible goal, given how apparent it is that people of different races are never able to co-exist well.

    Mistaking race for culture is pretty easy to do I guess?
     

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