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Discussion in 'RC' started by circus_brimstone, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. einride

    einride your best friend

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    i just want to say that adobe illustrator is probably the most ridiculously backwards, entirely unintuitive, most weighed-down by legacy bullshit piece of absolute garbage software ever to pollute a computer

    it's really absolute rubbish and as someone who is not an idiot, knows computers, has to use both on a daily basis, i find that tasks that take 2 minutes in coreldraw consequently take 30 minutes or more in illustrator purely because of the near-unusable, laughably obscure user interface. THIS NEEDS A SEVERE MAKEOVER LIKE RIGHT NOW. ADOBE: ILLUSTRATOR IS UNUSABLE SHIT. why do we need to pay something like NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS for software that feels like it BARELY would have passed for user friendly in 1991? IT DOES NOT REALLY WORK VERY WELL AT ALL. FIX THIS UTTER BULLSHIT. coreldraw, inkscape, xara, freehand, EVERY OTHER program designed for the same tasks works BETTER yet i have to use your GARBAGE because somehow it's the "InDuStRy StAndARD". fuck you.

    and that's about enough of that
     
  2. ~Neurotica

    ~Neurotica perfectly insane

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    I find Corel Draw pretty confusing... More confusing that Illustrator.
    Oh, and I hate working with vector. Probably because I'm not good at it at all.
     
  3. einride

    einride your best friend

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    i work with vector graphics every day at work so i am AWESOME at coreldraw, and i love that program (and i usually hate most software, but coreldraw is mostly flawless as far as the user interface goes, although it has its retarded moments.) it is my default choice for 99% of everything.

    but i also know illustrator, but let me tell you, if i didn't HAVE to use it i wouldn't ever touch it. i HAVE to use it when clients send files in AI format that i cannot open in coreldraw. it is a truly spectacular trainwreck of stupid decisions, 15 year old legacy cruft and hopeless UI design.

    pretty sure i would be faster at most or all common tasks in coreldraw than someone with equal experience in illustrator. that shit's so anti-human it might as well be a swedish black metal band.


    EDIT: on the other hand, corel photopaint is fully worthless while adobe photoshop deserves its "industry standard" designation (because it is awesome)
     
  4. ~Neurotica

    ~Neurotica perfectly insane

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    Well, maybe I have to give it another try then...
    Because when I get some orders I try to avoid using vector and just do everything is Photoshop....
     
  5. Nico

    Nico Onward!

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    Holy shit, the last few posts inspired me to log in and comment. I've been saying exactly the same shit as Erik for years and no-one fucking gets it. Everyone thinks that Coreldraw is antiquated because it's been around longer than Quark, but I can do any job in 1/10 the time using corel over illustrator. I don't see how illustrator became industry standard AT ALL when it takes 4-5 clicks to change the fucking colour of the fucking stroke on a goddamn object.
     
  6. Vittra

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    I could actually use a couple.. let take a look at your distro and see if there's anything I'm interested in getting along with some jewel cases.
     
  7. lurch70

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    question for you audio geeks

    doesn't having a USB turntable kind of defeat the purpose of analog sound?
    http://permanentrecords.info/events

    seems like there are a lot of them out there. anyone use them?
     
  8. Hell Mike

    Hell Mike fuck melodic black metal

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    I also use coreldraw a lot more than illustrator and since I started using it on a regular basis I've started thinking it's better than illustrator too, but ai doesn't suck ass imo, just works differently. both programs have their pros and cons, but cdr has a lot more pros and less cons.
     
  9. Vittra

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    They are convienent for ripping Vinyl to your computer though the quality is often shit as you would expect. I'd say it does defeat the purpose yes.

    On the other hand there are USB based DACs and those are fiercly debated vs Firewire and optical ones so who knows.
     
  10. Krilons Resa

    Krilons Resa High Infidelity

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    USB Turntable? How fucking queer is that?
     
  11. Guthrum

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    Netflix streaming rules for cult B-movies of the horror variety.
     
  12. Ars Magna

    Ars Magna Ars Magna Recordings

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    Yes. Yes it does.

    Ok man, let me know. If it's with an order, they are free (assuming you don't need 50 of them).
     
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    One of my very best friends bought me a watch worth about $1K for my birthday last week. A grand gesture and I was very thankful.
    The watch however is a bit small (dial wise) and not really my style. I hate to have something awesome like this sit around and not be used as I like watches but not sure what to do not to offend him. Would feel guilty exchanging it or selling it for a different one.
    what would you do?
     
  14. Krilons Resa

    Krilons Resa High Infidelity

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    Only wear it when you hang out with the good lad.
     
  15. Krilons Resa

    Krilons Resa High Infidelity

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    ...change your lifestyle, friends, and wardrobe to accommodate your new watch?

    :tickled:
     
  16. Krilons Resa

    Krilons Resa High Infidelity

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    Seriously though, that's tough. Probably one of them things you just gotta suck up. :erk:
     
  17. einride

    einride your best friend

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    stuff one uses all the time, like what ai calls clipping masks and compound paths, are unnecessarily convoluted. powerclip is aeons ahead of ai's fucking stupid clipping masks. the combine tools are their so called "smart guides" are anything but, it's SO MUCH easier to snap objects to lines and nodes in cdr. like the guy above said, it takes SEVERAL CLICKS to change shit like line thickness or color. the interface doesn't follow any ms windows standard guidelines so finding obscure features (as you frequently have to do because nothing can be obvious in an application for "professionals", you have to EARN your right to use this program) is usually a hunt for a 5 pixel button with an indecipherable icon.

    isolation mode is retarded, this would not be necessary if it was not an absolute pain in the ass to do something so simple as SELECT MULTIPLE OBJECTS

    here's a sample.

    task: center selected object to page.

    coreldraw:
    1. press "P".

    illustrator:

    1. select window/align to make sure the align toolbar is up.
    2. press a nondescript 7x7 pixel button with an icon that looks like it has four lines and a triangle on it.
    3. select "show options".
    4. check "align to artboard" in the "align to" button-menu with a nondescript icon in the lower right.
    5. press "horizontal align center", the second button from the left in the uppermost row of nondescript buttons.
    6. press "vertical align center", the fifth button from the left in the uppermost row of nondescript buttons.

    this is the easiest and official way to do it. i could pull out 50 examples of this nature. illustrator SUCKS, wholesale and undoubtedly. hell mike, here's a challenge: name ONE "pro" of illustrator except "it can open compressed AI files" EDIT: also, better opentype support

    :D[​IMG]
     
  18. Hell Mike

    Hell Mike fuck melodic black metal

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    • Better pen tool imo
    • You can easily place objects at set coordinates (such as left center at X27.5Y12.2 or top right corner at whatever)
    • Uses the mouse wheel like it's supposed to.

    There you go! I still like coreldraw better so we don't have to fistfight it unless you really want to
     
  19. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Cynical.

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    If you do, video it.
     
  20. einride

    einride your best friend

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    1. okay but doesn't illustrator's pen tool work exactly like coreldraws bezier tool?
    2. there are x and y boxes in the upper left corner like illustrator's, by default coreldraw counts from the bottom left instead of the top left, otherwise this works exactly like in illustrator as far as i know -- also if you want to set the top right corner of an object at x666 y88 then you use the position transformation docker, press alt-f7 bro
    3. coreldraw scrolls with the mouse wheel on my computer because i set it that way in my mouse driver. i agree that this should be the default though. you can still scroll with the mouse wheel in cdr by holding ctrl or alt.

    also no fistfights but my theory is that illustrator does almost nothing better than cdr and i need to test it
     

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