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Discussion in 'Dark Tranquillity' started by La Rocque, May 11, 2007.

  1. Volve

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    I've heard on the news about the Belgian system, it is some 30 or 40 % that failes school. Some thought it had to do with the way the schoolsystem was financed? The longer you kept the students in school the more the school got for the students?

    It was apparently a lot of depate about it?
     
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    when was that?
    I dont know for the whole country, since we have 3 different communities (frenc speaking, flemish speaking and german speaking), and each one of them has its own miniters for education.
    In my school, i think that in the 2 first years of what we call "secondary school" (from 7th to 12th grade), I'd say that maybe 20 % of the students went to "professional teaching", means where you still go all the day to school, but learn a job like sewing/designing clothes or social worker/nurse for girls and carpenter or mechanician for boys... But in the years after, i dont think that so much people fail in the "normal school". Maybe between 5 and 10 out of 80 (and that seems pretty much for my school) would fail inside of a grade year. And it was very rare for people in my school to fail the last grade.
     
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    I don't remember exactly, perhaps I am mixing things up.

    You're talking about three different parts of your country. That is something I think is a bit strange. I've got the impression you don't know so much about each other. How can you keep a country together when you don't seem to have much in common? How did these people end up in the same country?
     
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    the country declared its independence from the Netherlands in 1830(Belgium has already been part of Spain, France, the Netherlands and Austria) . At the time, the very rich and noblepeople in Flanders spoke French, and Flemish was for the poor people. Frenc was the only official Language. But Flemish finally imposed itself as the language for everybody in Flanders (north of Belgium, that is).Flemish became the second official language in the end of the 19s. In the '60, a lot of people in Flanders wanted to show they were pround from their heritage and they even kicked out of Flanders the French speaking part of a well know university (which was rebuilt somewhere in Wallonia, we had to create a new city for it).
    In the 90's the country was divided into 2 principal regions and Belgium became a federal state.
    It seems that the country got united because of some religious reason at one point and then because other states wanted the region to be a part of their country. The Belgian people apparently got fed up to be invaded by all their neighbors claiming the country was theirs.

    Now there never was a war between people, but some Flemish wishes Flandern to be an independant country because Wallonia has more unemployed people now (because our economy was mainly industries -for steel, coal,...- which close down a while ago because the coal left is too deep and it is to expensive to dig for it, and steel because it is cheaper to produce it in china). Flanders has an economy more nased on services and has the haven of Antwerp as an important source of money.

    Now a little less than 60% of the population speaks Flemish.

    Sometimes i feel like the only thing that still tights the country together is the Monarchy. The king is more of a symbol and doesnt really participate in politics though.

    I dont know what would become of Wallonia if the Flanders gets its independance one day. They certainly have ressources to live by themselves, but i dont thibg Wallonia could. And returning to France wouldnt be a well tolerated proposition.

    I know how our school system in Wallonia works, but we dont have that much contacts with Flemish people, since the 2 communities are in 2 different parts of the country. And now, it would be difficult for most of the people to talk with someone of the other community because we dont master very well the other language. If i met a Flemish, i would talk with him in English because i cant speak Flemish anymore. I can still understand when i read but thats all. The linguistic difference is probabily a reason why Flemish and french speakin people dont have a lot of contacts with each other.
     
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    Really strange situation..I can't figure it out because I live in a "compact" country in this sense..what about Walloon? It's spoken just in Belgium, isn't it?
     
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    afz902k In Currents of Cobalt...

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    Walloon sounds funny. But yeah here in Mexico there are people who speak other languages than Spanish and they are pretty much isolated. Though they're a minority.
     
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    Wallon was spoken only in the southern part of Belgium, but now it is only spoken by old people (who were born till +/- 1930 or something i'd say). The official languages in Belgium are French, Flemish (=dutch with some little differences) and German (though only about 1% of the total population speaks it).

    At one point, the government decided that french was to totally replace Wallon, and it was forbidden to talk Walloon in schools. If my grandma was still here, i could ask her about that. She told me that her parents spoke wallon, so at home, they talked to her in it, and she mostly answered in French. My other grandma doesnt speak Wallon, but she was born later.

    Some young people about my age who comes from rather poor families still uses a lot of wallon words into French sentences when they speak, which sound funny and not so well educated because they have an awfull accent when they speak French (the accent is very redneckish).

    I can understand some Waloon because i have often heard my grandma say some sentences in it. It is very difficult to read, and even more to write. Now people try to somehow keep the language a bit alive, by creating theather play in Walloon.
     
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    I've never heard about Wallon. It is a shame really, how they just decided that the language should die.

    What kind of language is Wallon?

    Your talking a lot about poor people in Belgium speaking a different language. In Norway we don't have that distinctive mark on people. We had a labour government for 60 years after the war, and they apparently worked hard to make Norway a homogenous society.

    Homogenous is nice for poor people I guess, but we can't be the same everyone.
     
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    afz902k In Currents of Cobalt...

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    Well they dont really speak a different language, they speak French but uses some expressions/sentences/words in Walloon.

    The wikipedia article describes pretty well the language.
     
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    GONE Ridin' Hood Professor.

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    Wow Walon seems really cool! I really like all those old Languages or languages that are basically useless nowadays (like Welsh), because they are usually pretty crazy and hard to learn. I noticed a bit of German influence, but with accent marks! Damn :p .

    And for some reason I can't put smileys in the past, I feel sad T.T .
     
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    Kovenant84 T-369 days

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    And on that note, I order everyone to stop praying for his continued ill-feelings. :p

    Whatever it is, hope things look up for you, man.

    ~kov.
     
  13. Dark_Silence

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    yeah sometimes the way to make sentences is influenced by germanic languages.
    Actually that seems quite normal that it is so since Belgium is located between France and Germany. In the culture and food you can also see influences from both countries.
     
  14. La Rocque

    La Rocque I am that I am

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    January 20, 2009, a year and a half from today will be W's last day as president of the USA, I'm counting the days. He has our country so screwed up, I doubt it will ever recover its place in the world. He is going to dump everything in the lap of the next president. W is nothing more than a fuckn' ass hole, has the lowest approval rating of any US president, ever. The good thing is that in a year and a half he does not have to slither back to Texas but he can't stay in the White House.
    He still does not understand the difference between Shiites, Sunnis, or Kurds. He's been asked that question many times, his only response is, ' they're all Muslims, right?'. Its so sad all the young woman and men dying in Iraq for what reason(I don't understand?), I keep forgetting we're looking for weapons of mass destruction, you'd think in 5 years at least one WMD would of been found. Plus all the ten of thousands of innocent Iraqis dying.
    I think our next presidential election will be interesting(maybe history making) as a woman and a black are the leading Democratic contenders, can't see W's party, the Republicans winning anything(Senate, House) most of all not the Presidency.
    I knows its early but
    Bye, bye Georgie, you can suck my D
     
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    Kovenant84 T-369 days

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    The "1.20.09" stickers are becoming more and more prolific, I've noticed.
     
  16. plintus

    plintus Señor Member

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    I say - pull the Army out and let them all kill each other over their shit.

    Experts are saying, that there's no solution to the region's problem, the question is - how many more American and international soldiers will die there for virtually nothing.

    Iraq war will ding at trillion ($1.3T?) something mark in the next years, money spent not only on operation itself, but consequences, etc.
     
  17. suwat666

    suwat666 Byah!

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmginEyGZ8

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    What you going to do when we come for you now,
    it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

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    (fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
    Sportsmanship
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  18. Taliesin

    Taliesin Immaturity Aside

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    What exactly is its place in the world?
     
  19. Volve

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    Why can't americans just kick him out of office. We can kick a useless prime minister if we want to, or the parliament can.
     
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    In fact Noway is one of most safe and civilized countries in the world
     

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