you've missed my point again. perhaps i'm not explaining it well enough. faith is an extension of logic. i use logic to find evidence that X is true. i can't at this time prove without doubt that X is true, but it is clear that a lof of evidence points to this. i then say "faith" is the assumption "ok, this is true based on evidence and reasoning." it is also based on trust, trust that your faith is well placed. i used an example before, if you stand on an edge of a cliff, you won't jump unless you have a parachute or other means to land safely. this is your basis. you make certain, check and double check, question and doubt, until you think you're certain that your parachute works. you wouldn't jump otherwise of course. that's logic & reasoning. then trust, you trust that the parachute won't rip or fail you. this trust and the action of stepping off is faith. it is based on reasoning and evidence that leads you to trust that you will not fail. it is extremely difficult to describe to someone who doesn't believe in it. and yes, i have presented substantial evidence. you likely haven't read it. as i've stated before, the evidence does not prove that this is all true. it strongly suggests. the last step is up to interpretation.