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Waves L2...why the hate

Discussion in 'Backline' started by Lasse Lammert, Apr 4, 2011.

  1. Lasse Lammert

    Lasse Lammert HCAF Blitzkrieg

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    is it only because people are using it wrong, or am I deaf?
    I like it!
    well, I'm only using it to shave off 1-1.5dB, but I think it's got a nice sound for that.....
    am I stupid for liking it? Why is everyone bashing it? Only cause it makes your snare disappear if you're using it with 5dB GR?
     
  2. kernelxsanders

    kernelxsanders Bam Bam Boogie Bear!

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    i just use it modestly in my master chain, and it does nothing but help, even if it just by a tad.
     
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    it is kind of worthless for mastering purposes which it was made for :S
     
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    It was created before the loudness war reached retarded proportions. It does what a limiter was supposed to do then.
     
  5. Sinister Mephisto

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    I do like it for 2-3 db of gain reduction. It can actually be nice, but I can never get anything useable when I try to get all my loudness from it.
     
  6. Lasse Lammert

    Lasse Lammert HCAF Blitzkrieg

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    Well, I'm using it for mastering (not to get my main loudness of course, but to even things out and tuck them into place a bit)
     
  7. AStudio

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    Well thousand of hit records used it (and L1) in the 90's and 2000's so I don't think its a bad as people make out. If you push the plug it does sound like cock and ball though
     
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    L2 is totaly fine if you dont shoot for level with it.
    1-2db of gain reduction is totaly cool and glue the mix together. Its a nice thing if you push your master with something cool (like clipping the converter or overshoot a comp)
     
  9. pipaguapique

    pipaguapique Remember Me

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    i freaking love this plug in! i even use it as a verb now. To L2 that, or to L2 this. haha

    I L2 my vocals and my basses very often, and it sits in my master bus the whole time i mix. That or the L1 work pretty much the same way, but i think the L1 adds something to the high end that the L2 doesn't.
     
  10. egan.

    egan. daylightdies.com

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    Right. Everyone hates it b/c the demands on it went overboard. It's a great look-ahead limiter but when folks started asking for 6dB+ out of it on the master bus it became a mix destroyer.
     
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    I don´t think people hate it, it´s just that there are MUCH better options, most of them cheaper or even free.
     
  12. reg3n

    reg3n Señor Miembro

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    i kind'a assumed it sucked balls for the forum comments haha, nice thread! good to know you guys take something good away from it.
     
  13. Lasse Lammert

    Lasse Lammert HCAF Blitzkrieg

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    I'm not sure I agree.
    Just replaced voxengo elephant with the L2 on a master I just did, and the L2 did a much better job (http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/rate-my-mix-tone-threads/668787-track-new-alestorm-record.html)

    But as I said, I'm not using it for volume, this is after the finalizer (of which I use the normalized section as well as the comp and limiter) and after clipping the apogees. The L2 is just shaving off 1.4db and does exactly what I needed it to.... Much better than the Massey limiter or elephant.
    Don't dismiss it for mastering that quickly, it's got "something" that the others don't have, especially if your looking for sone glue and sheen
     
  14. Ermz

    Ermz ¯\(°_o)/¯

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    Dont own the l2 but i use the l1 to glue transients quite often, whether mix or master bus.
     
  15. Lasse Lammert

    Lasse Lammert HCAF Blitzkrieg

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    yeah, that's exactly what it's doing quite nicely
     
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    Keregioz Kimon Zeliotis

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    Could you elaborate a little on how and why exactly you use it? You first use another limiter for volume and then the L2?
     
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    tempe Captain Midnight

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    I use it on just about everything I do these days, whether its on a vocal to bring it up a bit or on the master bus just taking off like 0-5 - 1-5 dB. Will often leave it on when a mix gets sent to mastering as the mix falls apart without it.

    Thats probably because I'll add my little faux master chain when I'm about 80% of the way through a mix just to make sure everythings leveled on to print a test copy to reference to other stuff in my car.
     
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    wetpenny i've got cankers!!

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    IMO, considering everything. Tried against L1, L2, L3, Elephant, Pocket Limiter and some others. This ugly bitch always win. I usually take 3 dB, but with TLs I can go nuts if I have to.
     

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