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What do you see as a 'disgrace' to metal music? Why?

Discussion in 'General Metal Discussion' started by Rherien, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. Phylactery

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    You make a good point about production being contextual a lot of the time. Having said that, I don’t want overlypolished and mechanical production on any metal really. There’s a difference between crystal clear and overproduction - the latter is never a good thing imo and makes things sound too lifeless and sterile.
     
  2. arg

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    crystal clear EQUALS overproduction to “your people” according to how you all rate and comment in the mixtapes lol. what if modern guitars and technology really do sound good and clean without doing much to them? should we deliberately add some fuzz to make them sound like shit? toss and kick the drums around so they sound like garbage cans?
     
  3. Omni

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    What qualities of the production on these songs are supposed to be good?

    There's basically no point in having such a glossy production if you're going to mix music like an amateur who doesn't even know what dynamic range is. Everything is too loud to the point that it's terribly brickwalled. The Beyond Creation is the worst, but the others are also pretty bad.
     
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    i don't think any type of production is inherently bad aside from that which is physically painful to listen to, although some don't tend to suit certain genres. but yeah, 'crystal clear' tends to be a good thing, it's the lack of weight/texture/personality in a lot of modern production that's the problem. it's the same issue people have with watery CGI, it obstructs immersion when what you're watching is so obviously artificially created.
     
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  5. TechnicalBarbarity

    TechnicalBarbarity -TheNightsBane-

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    The Beyond Creation and Ne Obliviscaris tracks kicked ass, the other one was okay. They sound just how modern tech death is supposed to sound. It's not supposed to sound like it was recorded in some dungeon.

    edit: @arg You should have posted some Obscura or Gorod or something.
     
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  6. arg

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    i don’t even think much about production tbh. if my ears are pleased it’s good for me. BAD production puts me off easily.

    if we added some fuzz to those songs, adjusted some volumes and fixed the “dynamic range”, would you like them for the songwriting/composition?
     
  7. Omni

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    Modern tech death is supposed to have basically essentially no dynamics and be so loudly that the audio clips or becomes washed out? What a terrible idea.

    Again, the idea of making something so glossy but mixing it in a way that makes the music lack clarity and dynamics seems misguided.
     
  8. Nate Skalman

    Nate Skalman What’s in the basket?

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    What I see as a personal disgrace is overly critical genre-snobs who don't play an instrument, or have never played live/toured themselves...it's hard work. Industry-wise, people who don't put any money back into the scene by not going to shows and buying merch/albums are what's keeping bigger money out of the scene...also, computers are the holy grail future of recording, but the killer of album sales -lots to factors...
     
  9. Omni

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    This is probably unintentional, but you've posted a strawman that has nothing to do with how mixing music in a way that gives dynamic sound works. I genuinely believe that you think that you're replying to what I said, but you really aren't.
     
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    CiG So Long Suckers!

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    Problem I have with arg's worldview is that he seems unwilling to accept that not all albums would benefit from the production jobs on those links he shared and none of the so-called in-crowd by contrast would claim that those links he shared would benefit from a more raw production.

    He thinks the in-crowd are the narrow-minded ones whereas he's the one that seems to think all metal albums should be produced to his standards.

    I fully accept that technical death metal (and other genres) shouldn't be recorded in a dungeon. It's contextual.
     
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  11. Nate Skalman

    Nate Skalman What’s in the basket?

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    Bands who sound promising in the studio and then sound like shit live for whatever reason...
     
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    hey i can overlook mediocre, somewhat muddy (but not complete shit) production if the riffs, vocals and composition are great. heck i'll only deduct 1 or 2 points in a mixtape. inversely, can you overlook "overproduction" if the riffs, vocals and composition are great?
     
  13. Omni

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    If a song is to my liking, I absolutely could. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly interested in the music that you posted.

    I like a lot of music with varying production levels, including things without a very dynamic sound. I just don't enjoy when music is obviously produced in a modern, high-end studio but the mix is so bad that it defeats the purpose of doing such a thing.
     
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  14. Mort Divine

    Mort Divine Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd

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    problem is the riffs, vocals, and composition in most modern tech death isn't great usually

    modern tech death is certainly not on the level of atheist, demilich, gorguts, etc. when it comes to that
     
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  15. Nate Skalman

    Nate Skalman What’s in the basket?

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    Using Fractal, BIAS, ElevenRack and Kemper for all guitar track recording and using cab impulses forces lots of post-production (Axe Edit etc.) along with a "more mids, less gain" fad...It's nice gear but it puts a digital sounding sonic stamp on the final product, and with the bandwaggoning, guitarists using them started using Andy Sneap style "hard-panning" editing on recordings making it sound a little processed and sterile for thrash, doom, stoner styles...my ears like mic'ing the cab and cutting raw tracks. It cuts down on "tone-polishing" for individual tracks and sounds more open and throaty. I'm not knocking modeling tho...just a cause of the "polished" sound...?
     
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  16. Satanstoenail

    Satanstoenail My Larpstyle determines my Derpstyle

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    Noise gate metal is so ten years ago
     
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    CiG So Long Suckers!

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    I don't know anybody who doesn't allow for a few negative qualities on an album that they otherwise like.
     
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  18. Nate Skalman

    Nate Skalman What’s in the basket?

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    Squeeking fingers on the strings and feedback (controlled) is something I like that modern recording is often missing...even on hi-fi stuff. If you have to crank the threshold on your noise gate to control your tone then you probably need to brush up on your playing...djent was a ghost fad
     
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    Krow Garbage Connoisseur

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    Live music is usually a shittier version of what the band can do in studio anyway.
     
  20. The Ozzman

    The Ozzman Melted by feels

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    I would argue it's a purer version of their sound anyway tbh. It is the truest representation of the band.
     

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