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What do you think about Iconoclast?

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by clafalc, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. _Gentleman of_the Snow_

    _Gentleman of_the Snow_ Prog' Drummer

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    Don't worry, Liquid, I will definitely be hearing "Orange" within the next few weeks... and I don't know why, but I have a feeling about it; a feeling that I had for "Bilateral" before it was released... one of those albums I just know I'm going to love.
    I assume your opinion is that Orange is good? :headbang:

    I thought you hated Nepenthe, Detective. Nice! It's such a strange song, but so good...
    The relaxing feel, the up-beat high-hat accents, the twists from hell... love it.
     
  2. Detective Clarence Beauregard

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    We all do. But if that is truly the style he prefers, they will go back to writing that way. Someday.

    The song originally bored me up until the funky dissonant part, but after repeated listens I started to embrace its... weirdness. The only two tracks I don't really care for are Slither and Famine. Even the two extra tracks are amazing (particularly Face in the Snow).
     
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    Gotta love Nepenthe. I almost get a Primus feeling about 3:30 in... Is Les playing with Steven Wilson too?

    Iconoclast is so different than any other SX albums, as I've mentioned in other threads. Some fans are diggin it, but most older fans are not. Honestly, I don't like to hate on people...at all. I think it is immature and hypocrisy. But I'm going to come forth with a weakness here... Haters on new albums, styles and songs are just pussies not willing to accept a change, myself included. Opeth is my favorite band, but I have not gotten into Heritage yet. Then again, Watershed took me forever to get into, but once I did, well, fuck you to all who call it Watershit, you are dumb. I've seen Mikael live without growls and he's the reason we love Opeth.

    Shit, I am going to go take a couple of swigs and listen to Iconoclast again. I think Michael and Russell may have composed the best metal song ever. And I am completely okay with everybody thinking otherwise. Because the truth is far from the truth.
     
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    Love that song.
     
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    I disliked Iconoclast at first but now it is my favorite of Symphony X albums.
     
  6. LavagesOfTime

    LavagesOfTime evangelist of Threshold

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    Just noticed I made a few posts on this board but never actually introduced me: hello, I'm Rob, from Rome, Italy. I have been listening to metal and progressive for a very long time, and play the bass in a local hard rock band (as you may have guessed by the avatar :D ). When it comes to progressive metal, what I like is the combination of power and melody!
    I was introduced to S-X with DWOT and year by year felt that they made a great effort topping the previous album with each new one (now I wouldn't say "each", actually, but at the time I felt so). Saw them live 3 times so far, and the show on the PL tour in Florence really blew me away!

    Like many of you, I was blown away by V and was a bit disappointed when I first heard The Odyssey: Inferno starts great but when Russel kicks in I felt I was listening to a Pantera album or so. I took some time to get used to it and now i LOVE the way the songs kicks in, and in general like the album, especially the title track and, huh, The Turning.
    When PL came out I was blown away again, the combination of heaviness and melody is superb and 8 songs out of 10 would end up in any SX playlist I'd do.

    So, when Iconoclast came out, I was wondering if they would have - again! - topped the previous album. The title track and End of Innocence gave me that exact feeling, despite it was clear that there was too much heaviness compared to the melody... so the rest of the album was a total disappointment. What happend to those soaring vocals? To those epic choirs? Or even just the backing vocals? And, above all: was Pinnella at the toilet while they were recording?
    I mean, I felt it was not BAD or so, but basically too much pedal-to-the-metal: all of the melody we got used to hear from them is buried under tons of guitars.

    Then the weeks passed, I listened to single songs from time to time and I have to admit that they keep on growing on me. It's just different, less easy listening, less accessible, but after getting used to it the melody comes out. Dehumanized at first seems to be a heavier-than-heavy song, especially for that rough chorus, so it takes some listentings to find out that beautiful "is this life worth a question why" part. When All Is Lost is less accessible as well, it took some time to realize how great it is, especially the chorus. These are the highlights of the album to me, but perhaps some of the others may grow as well. Light Up The Night, for example, is not as bad as I read on this board. Believe it or not, but it reminded me some of Fool's Paradise!

    Anyway, I still think they haven't topped PL with this latest release, I still think that they exceeded with heaviness and aggression and badly hope they won't go any further in this direction in the future. I'm just glad I've found some songs I really like and hopefully some more will pop out later. And, of course, didn't regret much for not seeing them this last time, knowing THAT setlist in advance. :D

    Huh, what a long post!
     
  7. Postulate

    Postulate Have a nice day! :)

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    I like the timbre of the keyboards because they remind me of neo-prog.
     
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    I'm curious as to which two songs wouldn't make your playlist. PL is far from my favorite Symphony X album, but I do think it's their most consistent. Not a filler song on there in my opinion.

    I will say this: Pinnella's futuristic synth sounds are much more listenable than most prog keyboards patches I hear. Perhaps because he uses it sparingly? And what the hell is neo-prog?
     
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    Postulate Have a nice day! :)

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    Short-lived 80's prog subgenre that had new wave and NWOBHM influences. Still has some bands creating music in roughly the same vein to this day.

     
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    ^ I like the music a lot, and I think it would be much greater without vocals.
     
  11. LavagesOfTime

    LavagesOfTime evangelist of Threshold

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    The walls of babylon and sacrifice. Not that they are bad, it's just that the rest is way much better.

    As for neo prog, bands as Arena or Shadowland are often labeled this way
     
  12. _Gentleman of_the Snow_

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    ^ Babylon one of the worst? o_O
     
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    "less favourite" sounds better? :D
     
  14. Detective Clarence Beauregard

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    Babylon?! O.O

    That has to be one of my favorite Symphony X songs. Easily the highest point of the album for me. Every time I hear it, I picture an enormous army charging across an open battlefield. I really think they nailed the atmosphere of that song.

    But everyone has different tastes, that's cool.
     
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    ^ Agreed. :)

    Babylon has become my favorite song from PL; the only song from that album that I still listen to. Killer atmosphere indeed. I love its dark, exotic (it does feel Babylonian!) and battlefield'ish feel. I think it makes for a great live song. Why they prefer to play much lamer stuff instead like Serpent's Kiss and Eve of Seduction is beyond me.

    Sure it's all a matter of taste though.
     
  16. Prismatic Sphere

    Prismatic Sphere We Carouse

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    Serpent's Kiss soooo needs to be scrapped.
     
  17. Detective Clarence Beauregard

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    They're probably playing Serpent's Kiss and STWOF because those two songs had videos and the general public is more familiar with them than the others. Eve of Seduction is a shorter, catchy, semi-commercial sounding song, which fits with the non-prog metal crowd they're going after.

    They should scrap all three of them. Playing Serpent's Kiss and Children of a Faceless God during the same set is pointless, since they're essentially the same song. The same could be said for End of Innocence and STWOF, but not as much. And depending on how you look at it, one could say that Electric Messiah would be the same kind of song as Eve of Seduction (except without emotion). So yeah.

    Babylon would be awesome, since nothing on Iconoclast even touches its level of awesomeness. The title track and Prometheus come close, but they're a bit different in feel.
     
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    I think they still play Eve Of Seduction also for that marvellous guitar solo, they also have to please the shredding fanatics :D
     
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    All of this makes absolutely no sense to me.

    The Walls of Babylon is indeed a great song.
     
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