This site is supported by the advertisements on it, please disable your AdBlocker so we can continue to provide you with the quality content you expect.

I Want You!

Join Symphony X and discover tons of other great Metal forums, sign up today!

What's the Sym X album you hate the most?

Discussion in 'Symphony X (Unofficial)' started by Indestructible, Nov 13, 2014.

?

What's the Sym X album you hate the most?

  1. V: The New Mythology Suite

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Symphony X

    41.9%
  3. The Damnation Game

    4.7%
  4. The Divine Wings of Tragedy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Paradise Lost

    14.0%
  6. Iconoclast

    37.2%
  7. The Odyssey

    2.3%
  8. Twilight in Olympus

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Progbass

    Progbass Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Finland
    I would say the production its still better and more listenable that PL. PL has that treble/upper mid bite what really gets to your ears after awhile, especially with headphones. Yea I agree that Odyssey has pretty good production, even though the bass is over compressed yet thin sounding.
     
  2. Progbass

    Progbass Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Finland
    And about the poll. I also voted Iconoclast, simply because its starting to sound a mix or Pantera and Avenged Sevenfold or something, rather than Symphony X (a bit rough comparison).
     
  3. Postulate

    Postulate Have a nice day! :)

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,474
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I freely admit I don't know shit about production, but The Odyssey sounds really flat. The bass is inaudible compared to the first five albums.
     
  4. Postulate

    Postulate Have a nice day! :)

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    1,474
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    I don't think anyone can argue that SX's sound hasn't become less distinctive starting with The Odyssey. If you like modern metal and so are happy it sounds more like that, fine, but there are a thousand modern metal bands -- there weren't really that many playing music like SX did, since even though they were a prog metal band they had the 80's shred/neo-classical from Romeo, the Romantic influence from Pinella, and the hard rock influence from Russell Allen. Lately that has faded, and though the three of them are still recognizable, but the sound is closer to modern metal with more technically proficient players than normal.

    And yeah, I think Michael Pinnella is completely indispensable to their sound and it is a shame to see him pushed into the background.
     
  5. Durakonis

    Durakonis Zudviz

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2013
    Messages:
    128
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Could've beens and would've beens, they waste our lives away...
     
  6. Matt

    Matt Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2005
    Messages:
    18,258
    Likes Received:
    247
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Saint Louis
    Iconoclast is easily their weakest in terms of songwriting. I like a few songs from it, but overall it pales in comparison even to PL (which isn't on the same level as the ones before it, either).
     
  7. Indestructible

    Indestructible New Metal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My point is I dont mind, I can listen to and enjoy all Sym X albums and doesn't matter to me if it became more/less modern, distinctive and such, I pay attention to what sounds good to me. Sym X has never been 100% prog metal band, each album has its own unique musical direction and that's what I like about them. Same goes for Iconoclast, it has something unique to it too, and yes I know how little keyboards are present on that album but it's far from being a terrible album. No, definitely not their best, in my opinion that would be TDWOT or Odyssey, but still, a listenable album.

    But okay, other than iconoclast I think The Damnation Game is also an album that should get some criticism. that's an album I'd consider nearly terrible, because about half of the songs sound like fillers/uncatchy, and the rest are just "okay" but the entire album has weak production, and feels rushed like I stated before. The one before it with rod tyler is a little bit better, because nearly all the songs are catchy I think, the only bad thing is Rod tyler who compared to Russell is quite mediocre.
     
  8. uhhhhmmmm4

    uhhhhmmmm4 Jesus Machine

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Messages:
    600
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Oooohhhh... I came this close(hold thumb and pointer finger together) to stopping reading that post when you said TDG is nearly terrible..:erk:

    I think its fantastic! :yell:
     
  9. Indestructible

    Indestructible New Metal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I can still listen to tht album and enjoy it, but compared to the rest of Sym X albums, it is nearly terrible(or completely terrible). That was meant to say in comparison to other albums, not the album by itself is terrible.
     
  10. Kenneth R.

    Kenneth R. Cináed

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2004
    Messages:
    17,892
    Likes Received:
    36
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Hallways of Always
    The bass was botched, agreed. On the whole though, the result was better than IC/PL, and SX have never had "great" production.
     
  11. Indestructible

    Indestructible New Metal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well, for some Sym X albums, that statement is certainly true...
     
  12. Progbass

    Progbass Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Finland
    There have been talk about the SX albums production before too. And I really feel albums like DWOT or V wouldnt sound as good with "modern" production. The production they have is part of the sound and it fits.
     
  13. Indestructible

    Indestructible New Metal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Definitely. But I think, the first 2 albums by Sym X, DMG and the self-titled should have received a much needed better production at the time. Well, there's one thing that could resolve that and that's remastering, but I don't recall about hearing these albums ever being remastered yet.

    I for example have heard the remastered version of When Dream and Day unite by Dream Theater. And I could clearly tell how it sounded better compared to the original version.
     
  14. Kenneth R.

    Kenneth R. Cináed

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2004
    Messages:
    17,892
    Likes Received:
    36
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Hallways of Always
    "modern" is what you hear on IC.

    crushed bits.

    Even if it's not your cup of tea, listen to Rage Against The Machine's debut album. That is fucking fantastic production. It has massive dynamics between the quieter and punchier passages, you can hear every instrument clearly, and the sonic field is immense. It's often used as a speaker reference track.
     
  15. Indestructible

    Indestructible New Metal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    By some strange coincidence, it is my cup of tea actually. I actually only got into that album by RATM and didn't really like the next two(for some reason). Yeah, agree with what you're saying about how good the production on that one is.
     
  16. donKyle

    donKyle Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2011
    Messages:
    573
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Texas
    the only thing i really hear 'wrong' about damnation game's production is that it just sounds a little quieter than the rest of the albums, which isn't necessarily bad. i think it's a good album, with some catchy tunes.
     
  17. TheVarangianGuard6600

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Damnation Game's one of my favs
     
  18. Indestructible

    Indestructible New Metal Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2010
    Messages:
    1,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    for me what i hated(and still hate) about it is that it is very silent. the sound isnt very clear. all the songs except for like, the title one are great and catchy, but the poor production makes them sound worse than they could be.

    like taking a delicious chocolate cake and adding hot chili pepers and onions to the mix
     
  19. manticore999

    manticore999 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2003
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Concord, CA
    I went with Iconoclast, however it was tough to choose between that one and PL.
     
  20. Progbass

    Progbass Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2002
    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Finland
    Yea, kinda sounds like Romeo was still learning about the recording progress and didnt have very good equipment in the first place(I assume it was recorded in his home studio).
     

Share This Page