Well, there's also the fact that illegal downloading is, obviously, illegal, but more importantly, also theft. Obviously something being illegal does not make something wrong, which is why I choose to emphasize the fact that it is theft, which is more or less universally looked down upon (as long as one isn't doing it themselves, of course, then it's okay). While illegal downloading is not removing property from one person and giving it to another, it is still acquiring digital property to which there is no entitlement. Of course, whenever I mention this, I typically receive "well, it's not that big of a deal" or "I don't care" as a response, which is why I didn't raise the issue earlier. People forget that while the music itself is a work of art, the tangible object is in fact a commercial product, to which there is no natural entitlement.