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Discussion in 'The Philosopher' started by LDGuy, May 11, 2005.
which Yes album do you like, by the way? They are all to fucking HAPPY, imo.
You also seem to think that everything that sucks cannot be art. Why Opeth isn't artistic? There rip off some bands and they completely suck, true, but there is no other band that sounds exactly like them, they have their own identity. So why can't they be artistic?
I'm sure he's got some rather narrow and/or arbitrary definition of art.
Dude first of all you need to stop taking life so seriously, you'll enjoy it a lot more. One doesn't constantly have to ponder the meaning of life to have an "internal mental life". Sometimes it is ok to watch a basketball game, or play catch with a dog, or visit with good friends just because its fun. Infact I would argue people who do so would have better "internal metal lives" because as we know, when one focuses exclusively on one thing thier perception of this thing almost always becomes blurred.
Second of all I really want know how Camel's album about Snow Geese has more integrity then Opeth's "My Arms Your Hearse".
Eh, whatever else infoterror might be he's definitely a life-lover.
We're not all the same. What delights you might bore me. Further, there's a place for everything, and sometimes screwing around is right, but things that I value I take seriously.
The Flight of the Snow Goose? Give a careful listen to how it's structured and how subtly the melodies interact. Compared to that, Opeth sounds like a monkey with a xylophone.
Metal is one of the last holdouts of the narrative style of composition, which is superior to the cyclic-harmonic nature of modern music.
That others cannot see this doesn't bother me. Obviously, there's a lot they don't see.
They are. Prog has its failings. For less-happy, try King Crimson. I'm fondest of "Going for the One," but most of the Yes catalog before 1980 is good by me.
Camel is like Yes with less gratuitous instrumentalism, and more pure melodic songwriting. I recommend it to any of you.
Regarding Opeth, well, it's a small essay. Suffice to say I think they're pretenders to prog in the same way Grand Belial's Key (ultimate shit band) is a pretender to Darkthrone and GBH.
I'm aware of it that I'm generalizing a bit much and there are a few exceptions to the rule, however most of the people from the group that you mentioned are the ones that make albums that simply re-hash older stuff (i.e. most power metal). Re-hashing older material isn't retaining the spirit of difficulty and exploration because it's not attempting anything new, so there's no real "exploring" being done.
Well, I was just stereotyping anyway.
Well, yes, you were generalizing, and that's okay, but I was referring to the multitudes who love Ozzy, Slayer, Metallica, Iron Maiden and Pantera. And I also said that it retains the 'spirit.' The spirit of the original bands the newer ones might be ripping off. It was an unclear post. I see that now. I also see your point.
Objectively superior? No, not really, no...
Well you'll get no disagreement from me there, I agree whole heartedly with all of that. Nevertheless stating "entertainment is for people with no internal life" is still completely naive...
Does it matter how well the melodies interact if they sound like second rate NASH theme songs?
Okay. I now understand what you mean.
Hmmm. So why isn't this in the General Music forum again? And what the fuck does it have to do with philosophy in the first place!?!?
Well....not sure what it has to do with philosophy, but the general music forum is for general metal discussion, so I guess a thread about classical ended up here. My guess is that the thread starter wanted intelligent discussion about it, and thought this would be the place to find it.
I like classical musica very much, from orchestra playing to piano sonatas, it's kind like more complicated melodic death metal.
And how is it like more complicated melo-death...?
I had curry last night, it was kind of like more spicy lettuce
you know.. scales used, and stuf... ok i don't know how to explain but i hope you are enlightened:Spin:
Of all the mainstream genres, death metal, black metal, and some ambient musics (kraftwerk) most resemble classical.
The scales are similar (diatonic + others, not pentatonic) but also, the structure is similar. Metal is narrative, as is classical, and uses a motif-based format. Rock uses... repetition and fixed form.