I really felt for David Cameron on this occassion

[Slatanictrash]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8647447.stm

I understand both views here and I have to say, I am the side of David Cameron here, I think it should be harder for parents to get their disabled child into mainstream school as they really do need speciallist care and attention and that is sadly lacking within mainstrem schools, it is hard enough for teachers to teach a class of 35 abled bodied kids let alone spend some time with each of them, I think this father is being extremely selfish to his son, he is not thinking what is best for him at all in my view.

David Cameron knows what it is like to have a disabled child as his son Ivan had celbal palsy and he died last year, so I don't think he was deliberatly alienating a section of society but genuinely believed that this policy would be best in what is in the best interests for disabled children in regards in mainstream eduction.

So in this occassion, I had immense sympathy for David Cameron for being put upon in this stituation even though he agreed to meeting the father, I don't think he enivisaged the probmatic nature of this meeting or he would have meet the father in private and would have a better opportunity to explain his thinking behind his idea.

 

[metallicdistort]

I don't think he was deliberatly alienating a section of society but genuinely believed that this policy would be best in what is in the best interests for disabled children in regards in mainstream eduction.

No, I just think he's trying to cut a few costs.

 

[Slatanictrash]

No, I just think he's trying to cut a few costs.

All parties are trying to cut a few costs but I agree that there has to be a critera for disabled people to meet the minimum standards for mainstream education, as I said, it is hard enough for teachers to teach a classroom of 35 kids and spend some time with some of them that are struggling and having a disabled kid in the same classroom, will in a way, affect their education, it's counter productive

I am for disabled people being treated the same as abled bodied but there are times it is just not feasible and this, I'm afraid, is one of them

I respect the father in a way for fighting for his son to be treated no different from the rest of society but I wonder if he has really thought how his son feels, I know the feeling of being the odd one out and it how it has affected me and I am absoulutely certain that this will do untold damage to his son as there will be activities he can't join in at playtime and I don't think for one second he would want to be the centre of attention from everyone giving him sympathy for being disabled, whereas in a specialist school everyone is the same and you will never feel left out of anything and you can and will find the confidence to grow within the education system.

 

[metallicdistort]

But will Cameron pay for seperate disabled education? If you're going to force someone to have to seek alternatives in education, you can't penalise them for it, otherwise Cameron would be partaking in discrimation against disabled people.

 

[Slatanictrash]

But will Cameron pay for seperate disabled education? If you're going to force someone to have to seek alternatives in education, you can't penalise them for it, otherwise Cameron would be partaking in discrimation against disabled people.

Is it not in place already, seperate education? I don't see it as discrimination towards disabled people, I am all for allowing disabled people within mainstream education but it shouldn't be allowed for all as there are occassions where it just not feasible for many reasons

I don't think he is forcing anyone to seek alternatives at all, I think he is being sensible in what he trying to do, it's a common sense approach and sadly some parents don't think of their child but of themsleves, I am just curious as to how close this school is that this father got his son into compared to the distance to the specialist school the boy used to go to, I'll bet it is quite considerable and the father is doing it for convenience rather than what is best for his son as his 2 daughters go to the same school.

 

[metallicdistort]

Well I don't think I have enough knowledge on the matter to be debating this really. I just don't trust any of Cameron's promises and don't believe his interests are primarily in concern of the general British public

 

[Covet Chaos]

I like this man... I do feel sorry for David Cameron for what happened himand his son. But this man feels strongly for it and he seems to be right in what he's doing.

 

[Slatanictrash]

Well I don't think I have enough knowledge on the matter to be debating this really. I just don't trust any of Cameron's promises and don't believe his interests are primarily in concern of the general British public

I agree with you mate, I don't trust DC myself but I do know of his personal stituation which was tragic hence why I felt for him in this case, I don't believe for one second DC is trying to disriminate against disabled people when he had a son that suffered from Celbal palsy and died last year, hence why I said I felt for him when this happened to him today

 

[metallicdistort]

But tbf most of the Tory policies aren't really his, he's just a puppet/poster boy for the party elites

 

[dbluntman]

did you see this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8647490.stm

the fact the tories set the guy up, guessing because he had a disabled son just like poor mr cameron. backfired eh? hahah.

no doubt seperate education will be there, it must, otherwise most people wouldnt get any education. what the guy in the video is worried about is how the tories are trying to stop inclusion into mainstream schools. maybe its there way to cut down class numbers? fuck no's. it shouldnt be aloud. its like saying all these foreign kids shouldnt be in the same class as the british kids because they dont speak english. such an ignorant attitude, how are people meant to intergrate into society and accept each other, if at an early age they are seperated because they are different.

it must be looked on individual basis though, no doubt the 30 kids in the class would rather have someone in a wheelchair, than some stupid loud mouth prick disrupting the lesson for everyone.

maybe the school he used to go to, he has became the age to go to the juniors? the kid didnt look to old? i doubt its for convienance, no doubt the father knows his kid had full mental capabilities, so wants him to get the best education the system can offer. because someone who has a physical disability can also be affected by getting put in classes with a bunch of kids who have some kind of learning difficulity. so it works both ways, doesnt it?