At http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/progpower-usa/609241-cds-1st-half-vs-2nd-half.html#post9226179 Zod and I were having this conversation:
I think we're actually both at the same place conceptually on this: we agree that bands *intend* to create "filler", and that if fans, without knowing the band's intention, overwhelmingly regard it as "filler", then yes, "filler" been created.
Our disagreement then is mainly on how often this situation actually occurs. I think it happens very rarely, while Zod presumably thinks it's fairly common.
Whenever I see "best song on album X" polls (or better, "worst song..."), it usually seems like there is surprisingly little consensus among fans. I think that when we develop our opinions in a relative vacuum (without friends, radio, or MTV to tell us what to like and what to hate), our opinions end up being a lot more random than we expect. So while bands might create filler songs, I think fans do a bad job of detecting which songs those are, and thus, they aren't "filler".
Hence, the poll. I visited the studio for a couple days during the recording of the first Demons & Wizards album. Jon Schaffer and Hansi Kursch had written all the songs together in a writing session well before the recording started. Before I arrived, they had been in the studio for some time, and had nearly completed all of the recordings. But on the day I was there, they decided they needed one more track to fill out the album.
So they went back to the apartment, and sat together for an hour or two coming up with random riffs and vocal melodies and banging out a song. They laid it down in the studio the next day, mechanically piling up layers of guitars and vocals, and copying-and-pasting sections to construct the final product. You could not have a more perfect example of a band attempting to create a "filler" song.
Thus, your task is to identify the song. If (and only if) you find it hard to believe that *any* of the songs were intended as "filler", then you can just choose the song that you like the least.
Neil
Completely disagree. While music can not be scientifically proven to be good or bad, that doesn't mean bands don't create filler. We could likely get into a long debate on this. However, I believe bands do release albums with material that they believe is substandard, just to have a complete album. Now I understand that you can argue that there are people who may love those tracks. True. However, I'm still applying the 80/20 rule. If the band views it as filler, and the overwhelming majority of their fans concur, I'm calling it filler.When music fans are whining about record companies and trying to justify their own behavior, you'll often hear the line "They trick you into buying the album, but you find it only has two good songs, and then a load of filler!" I've always thought this was mostly nonsense, given that one man's trash is another man's treasure, so the concept of "filler" isn't really a viable one.
I think we're actually both at the same place conceptually on this: we agree that bands *intend* to create "filler", and that if fans, without knowing the band's intention, overwhelmingly regard it as "filler", then yes, "filler" been created.
Our disagreement then is mainly on how often this situation actually occurs. I think it happens very rarely, while Zod presumably thinks it's fairly common.
Whenever I see "best song on album X" polls (or better, "worst song..."), it usually seems like there is surprisingly little consensus among fans. I think that when we develop our opinions in a relative vacuum (without friends, radio, or MTV to tell us what to like and what to hate), our opinions end up being a lot more random than we expect. So while bands might create filler songs, I think fans do a bad job of detecting which songs those are, and thus, they aren't "filler".
Hence, the poll. I visited the studio for a couple days during the recording of the first Demons & Wizards album. Jon Schaffer and Hansi Kursch had written all the songs together in a writing session well before the recording started. Before I arrived, they had been in the studio for some time, and had nearly completed all of the recordings. But on the day I was there, they decided they needed one more track to fill out the album.
So they went back to the apartment, and sat together for an hour or two coming up with random riffs and vocal melodies and banging out a song. They laid it down in the studio the next day, mechanically piling up layers of guitars and vocals, and copying-and-pasting sections to construct the final product. You could not have a more perfect example of a band attempting to create a "filler" song.
Thus, your task is to identify the song. If (and only if) you find it hard to believe that *any* of the songs were intended as "filler", then you can just choose the song that you like the least.
Neil