what Obama has in store for service members wounded in battle

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I don't know if this is part of that Health Care plane or not, but this seems to be obama's latest attempt at generating money to pay for his health care plan.

Obama to Bill Combat Wounded for Medical Care



The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."

The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans!"

Commander Rehbein was among a group of senior officials from veterans service organizations joining the President, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, the overseer of defense spending at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The group's early afternoon conversation at The White House was precipitated by a letter of protest presented to the President earlier this month. The letter, co-signed by Commander Rehbein and the heads of ten colleague organizations, read, in part, " There is simply no logical explanation for billing a veteran's personal insurance for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide. While we understand the fiscal difficulties this country faces right now, placing the burden of those fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country is unconscionable."

Commander Rehbein reiterated points made last week in testimony to both House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees. It was stated then that The American Legion believes that the reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate that VA treat service-connected injuries and disabilities given that the United States government sends members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. The proposed requirement for these companies to reimburse the VA would not only be unfair, says the Legion, but would have an adverse impact on service-connected disabled veterans and their families. The Legion argues that, depending on the severity of the medical conditions involved, maximum insurance coverage limits could be reached through treatment of the veteran's condition alone. That would leave the rest of the family without health care benefits.

The Legion also points out that many health insurance companies require deductibles to be paid before any benefits are covered. Additionally, the Legion is concerned that private insurance premiums would be elevated to cover service-connected disabled veterans and their families, especially if the veterans are self-employed or employed in small businesses unable to negotiate more favorable across-the-board insurance policy pricing. The American Legion also believes that some employers, especially small businesses, would be reluctant to hire veterans with service-connected disabilities due to the negative impact their employment might have on obtaining and financing company health care benefits.

"I got the distinct impression that the only hope of this plan not being enacted," said Commander Rehbein, "is for an alternative plan to be developed that would generate the desired $540-million in revenue. The American Legion has long advocated for Medicare reimbursement to VA for the treatment of veterans. This, we believe, would more easily meet the President's financial goal. We will present that idea in an anticipated conference call with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel in the near future.

"I only hope the administration will really listen to us then. This matter has far more serious ramifications than the President is imagining," concluded the Commander.
 
Okay, the asshole recanted on his position but it still pisses me off.

Obama Drops Controversial Third-Party Billing Proposal for Veterans
Updated 6:57 p.m.
By Philip Rucker
President Obama today abandoned a proposal to bill veterans' private insurance companies for treatment of combat-related injuries after the measure prompted an outcry from veterans service organizations and members of Congress.

The proposal would have authorized the Department of Veterans Affairs to charge private companies for treating injuries and other medical conditions related to military service, such as amputations, post-traumatic stress disorder and other battle wounds. The measure was intended to save the VA about $530 million a year, but the administration's pursuit of third-party billing sparked resistance from leaders of powerful veterans groups, who met earlier this week with Obama.

In a statement released this afternoon, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the president has "instructed that its consideration be dropped."

"In considering the third party billing issue, the administration was seeking to maximize the resources available for veterans," Gibbs said. "However, the president listened to concerns raised by the [veterans service organizations] that this might, under certain circumstances, affect veterans and their families' ability to access health care."

Veterans groups said the policy would jeopardize the insurance benefits of veterans and their families and would be an abrogation of the government's responsibility to care for those wounded in war.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a senior member of the Veterans' Affairs and Budget committees who warned VA Secretary Eric K. Shinseki last week that Obama's third-party billing proposal would be "dead on arrival," issued a statement saying the president "did the right thing in dropping this proposal.

"Injured veterans and their families have already paid enough of a price, they shouldn't have to worry about the tab for service-related care," Murray said.

Gibbs said Obama wants to "continue a constructive partnership" with veterans groups and highlighted the administration's commitment to veterans. In his budget blueprint, Obama proposes the largest increase in the VA's budget in 30 years.

Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, was critical of the proposal and issued a statement today saying that the administration is "upholding our sacred trust with America's veterans. Veterans of all generations are celebrating this decision."
 
Being a veteran myself, I'm somewhat biased.... Any individual that wants to have our military personnel pay for their own medical costs (Especially if said costs are incurred due to combat/ service related activities) is an ungrateful POS.... Alot more "colorful" descriptions come to mind but you get the idea....

I think all of those lying, fat, lazy, money spending (OUR money no less) retards (Politicians) should have to pay for their own medical, housing, etc, etc, and see how they like it. At least the military personnel protect, and defend us.... All the politicians have done is screw us over to the point where the country is royally f*cked....

What a bunch of ungrateful pricks.... :mad:
 
I think all of those lying, fat, lazy, money spending (OUR money no less) retards (Politicians) should have to pay for their own medical, housing, etc, etc, and see how they like it. At least the military personnel protect, and defend us.... All the politicians have done is screw us over to the point where the country is royally f*cked....


This!


Truer words have never been spoken. A den of thieves and liars. And we just keep on taking it instead of marching of friggin' Washington and storming the halls of Congress by the hundreds of thousands and throwing the whole lot of 'em out. Death to the Republicrats!
 
Obama to Bill Combat Wounded for Medical Care

LOL WHUT?

*reads on*

Misleading headlines FTW! Horrible, horrible idea to begin with, but at least get the context right. Shouldn't that read "Obama to Bill Private Health Insurance Companies for Combat Wounded Soliders' Medical Care"?
 
LOL WHUT?

*reads on*

Misleading headlines FTW! Horrible, horrible idea to begin with, but at least get the context right. Shouldn't that read "Obama to Bill Private Health Insurance Companies for Combat Wounded Soliders' Medical Care"?

Whatever, either way they end up paying, because they will have to carry private health care insurance, and guess what, there is a thing called "PRE-EXSISTING CONDITIONS" trust me i know all about this. Either way you slice the bread Nailz it is a slap in the face of all veterans and present service members, especially when they want to give illegal immigrants FREE Healthcare,

Dr Metal, a salute to you and your service to our country from another veteran
 
LOL WHUT?

*reads on*

Misleading headlines FTW! Horrible, horrible idea to begin with, but at least get the context right. Shouldn't that read "Obama to Bill Private Health Insurance Companies for Combat Wounded Soliders' Medical Care"?

Ok.... Who pays the "Private Insurance Companies"??? Usually, it's the soldier themselves that have their own private insurance apart from the government supplied benefits.... I.E., they are charging the soldiers for combat related care....

So All-American Joe gets back from Iraq with his leg blown off and they want to charge Joe's Ins. Company for his treatment. Joe pays for that coverage out of his own pocket and since lazy fat ass politician wants to now charge his Ins. co., All-American Joe's premiums rise.... Not only is the soldier paying for his own medical, he ends up paying even more because some ungrateful POS decided he should and the Ins. co. jacks up the monthly to pay for it.... Total BS if ya ask me..
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Either way you slice the bread Nailz it is a slap in the face of all veterans and present service members, especially when they want to give illegal immigrants FREE Healthcare,
Another thing that REALLY yanks my chain.... Give everything free to the people that can legally be considered "invaders" but screw those over that belong here.... *grumble* *BMGC*....

Dr Metal, a salute to you and your service to our country from another veteran

Thanks but since I never officially saw combat, it's more deserving of those that have.... It's sad to know that what we served for is being thrown away like yesterdays leftover pizza....
 
Either way you slice the bread Nailz it is a slap in the face of all veterans and present service members, especially when they want to give illegal immigrants FREE Healthcare,
Another thing that REALLY yanks my chain.... Give everything free to the people that can legally be considered "invaders" but screw those over that belong here.... *grumble* *BMGC*....



Thanks but since I never officially saw combat, it's more deserving of those that have.... It's sad to know that what we served for is being thrown away like yesterdays leftover pizza....

Whether you saw combat or not, you still served and served proudly, and this POS(not Pain of Salvation) who has now decided that 30,000 brave American sons and daughters, husbands and wives, cousins, nephews, neices, grandkids have to go over to AFGHANISTAN while he sits in the gilded palace and dictates laws and rules to us. And sinks our economy deeper and deeper into the Red. Don't get me started because you see right now my daughter sits here raising her son while her Husband is in IRAQ for the 3rd time, and my Son is due to leave for Afghanistan in a month. So don't get me started.
 
Whatever, either way they end up paying, because they will have to carry private health care insurance, and guess what, there is a thing called "PRE-EXSISTING CONDITIONS" trust me i know all about this.

It's not a good idea, but the way the headline read, I thought they were going to have to pay their VA insurance or something for the cost of their treatment. Wounded Vets paying in any regard, combat or otherwise, is extreme horseshit.

But hey, <EXTREME SARCASM> Private Health Insurance is so awesome, I don't see the problem! I mean, it's so much more amazing than anything the GOVERNMENT could offer, shouldn't VA members be THRILLED for the chance to pay for it? :rolleyes: </EXTREME SARCASM>
 
Okay, the asshole recanted on his position but it still pisses me off.

Glad to see that you finally got around to reading the news from NINE MONTHS AGO :lol: :lol: :lol:

However, I will admit, that was a nice job pretending that you thought this was some breaking news story from today :rolleyes:

When you refer to "the asshole", are you referring to President Obama, the "asshole" who was AGAINST sending soldiers to Iraq in the first place???

You know...IRAQ...the country that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11???

If so, then I praise you for reminding everyone that there would be:

4,284 U.S. SOLDIERS STILL ALIVE,

AND

30,182 U.S. SOLDIERS THAT NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUNDED


if everyone had listened to Obama, instead of listening to Dubya the draft dodger, and Dickless "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service" Cheney.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm


September 17, 2003 - George W. Bush: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with Sept. 11."

June 1, 2009 - Dickless Cheney: "On the question of whether or not Iraq was involved in 9/11, there was never any evidence to prove that,” Cheney said during an interview with Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren. (I included this particular quote because you seem like the type who prefers the "fair and balanced reporting" of the Fox Opinion Network...just a guess :saint:)


Since you seem to enjoy bringing up dated material, what did you think of this story:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_payhike_whitehouse_070516/

White House: 3.5 percent pay hike unnecessary

By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday May 16, 2007 17:34:13 EDT

Troops don’t need bigger pay raises, White House budget officials said Wednesday in a statement of administration policy laying out objections to the House version of the 2008 defense authorization bill.
The Bush administration had asked for a 3 percent military raise for Jan. 1, 2008, enough to match last year’s average pay increase in the private sector. The House Armed Services Committee recommends a 3.5 percent pay increase for 2008, and increases in 2009 through 2012 that also are 0.5 percentage point greater than private-sector pay raises.
The slightly bigger military raises are intended to reduce the gap between military and civilian pay that stands at about 3.9 percent today. Under the bill, HR 1585, the pay gap would be reduced to 1.4 percent after the Jan. 1, 2012, pay increase.
Bush budget officials said the administration “strongly opposes” both the 3.5 percent raise for 2008 and the follow-on increases, calling extra pay increases “unnecessary.”


Also, I would like to know your opinion of this story:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256559,00.html

Wounded Soldiers Detail Poor Living Conditions at Walter Reed Army Medical Center


Monday, March 05, 2007

WASHINGTON — Wounded soldiers told lawmakers on Monday that the Walter Reed Army Medical Center gives troops "less than what they deserve" in care and quality of living conditions to recover from traumatic injuries suffered in the line of duty.
“Soldiers get less than they deserve from a system seemingly designed and run to cut the costs associated with fighting this war,” Staff Sgt. John Daniel Shannon told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee's national security panel. Shannon was injured by a gunshot wound to the head during a firefight with insurgents in Iraq in 2004.


What about this story...opinions???

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/international/middleeast/08cnd-rumsfeld.html

Iraq-Bound Troops Confront Rumsfeld Over Lack of Armor
By ERIC SCHMITT

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Published: December 8, 2004

CAMP BUEHRING, Kuwait, Dec. 8 - In an extraordinary exchange at this remote desert camp, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld found himself on the defensive today, fielding pointed questions from Iraq-bound troops who complained that they were being sent into combat with insufficient protection and aging equipment.

Specialist Thomas Wilson, a scout with a Tennessee National Guard unit scheduled to roll into Iraq this week, said soldiers had to scrounge through local landfills here for pieces of rusty scrap metal and bulletproof glass - what they called "hillbilly armor" - to bolt on to their trucks for protection against roadside bombs in Iraq.
"Why don't we have those resources readily available to us?" Specialist Wilson asked Mr. Rumsfeld, drawing cheers and applause from many of the 2,300 troops assembled in a cavernous hangar here to meet the secretary. Mr. Rumsfeld responded that the military was producing extra armor for Humvees and trucks as fast as possible.
A few minutes later, a soldier from the Idaho National Guard's 116th Armor Cavalry Brigade asked Mr. Rumsfeld what he and the Army were doing "to address shortages and antiquated equipment" National Guard soldiers heading to Iraq were struggling with.
Mr. Rumsfeld seemed taken aback by the question and a murmur began spreading through the ranks before he silenced them. "Now settle down, settle down," he said. "Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."
He said all organizations had equipment, materials and spare parts of different vintages, but he expressed confidence that Army leaders were assigning the newest and best equipment to the troops headed for combat who needed it most.
Nonetheless, he warned that equipment shortages would probably continue to bedevil some American forces entering combat zones like Iraq. "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time," Mr. Rumsfeld said.


If Obama is "the asshole", are you prepared to admit that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were the entire fucking rectum???
 

It appears you have forgotten how the Bush administration admitted to not supplying our troops with adequate body armor, stocking wounded soldiers in disgusting conditions (Walter Reed?) etc, etc.

Thanks for not providing a link/source to that article; but judging by the headline I can tell it's bullshit faux journalism and I will not even bother reading it!
 
Whatever, either way they end up paying, because they will have to carry private health care insurance, and guess what, there is a thing called "PRE-EXSISTING CONDITIONS" trust me i know all about this. Either way you slice the bread Nailz it is a slap in the face of all veterans and present service members, especially when they want to give illegal immigrants FREE Healthcare,

Dr Metal, a salute to you and your service to our country from another veteran

So you are saying that the military should get primo healthcare and we should get dogshit? This is pretty much the same argument Jon Stewart made with that dumbass Bill Kristol. You are admitting that a socialized healthcare system (the one the military has) = better than a private one.

I love our troops and have a profound respect for what they do, but I'm also a human being. I don't want you getting better healthcare than just because you are fighting. Why should my cancer-stricken family member get denied care due to pre-existing bullshit conditon clauses just because we're not surrendering our lives to Uncle Sam? Fuck that noise. If that's how it's going to be, I'm moving to Sweden.
 
...where was all this anger in 2003?

I guess all the wide-stanced conservative chicken-hawks were too busy trolling for the one-eyed trouser trout in public restrooms to be angry about anything (but they were wearing their American flag lapel pins, carrying their bibles in one hand while their dick was in the other, so it's okay). Nothing like looking for a homoerotic encounter before you head back up to your soapbox on The Hill to denounce homosexuality :lol:.

By the way: why didn't the "Christian" wingnuts ever ask Dubya why he was allowing a homosexual male prostitute, nicknamed "BULLDOG", to pose as a journalist at his press conferences??? Hmmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon

Jeff Gannon

James Dale Guckert (born December 1, 1957) is a conservative columnist better known by the pseudonym Jeff Gannon. Between 2003 and 2005, he was given credentials as a White House reporter. He was eventually employed by the news organization Talon News during the latter part of this period. Gannon first gained national attention during a presidential press conference on January 26, 2005, when he asked United States President George W. Bush a question that some in the press corps considered "so friendly it might have been planted."[1] Gannon routinely obtained daily passes to White House briefings, attending four Bush press conferences and appearing regularly at White House press briefings. Although he did not qualify for a Congressional press pass, Gannon was given daily passes to White House press briefings "after supplying his real name, date of birth and Social Security number."[2] Gannon came under public scrutiny for his lack of a journalistic background prior to his work with Talon[3][4] and his involvement with various homosexual escort service websites using the professional name "Bulldog". Gannon resigned from Talon News on February 8, 2005. Continuing to use the name Gannon, he has since created his own official homepage and worked for a time as a columnist for the Washington Blade newspaper, where he confirmed he was gay after he was outed.[5]

Most recently, Gannon operated JeffGannon.com, a blog where he criticized those who exposed him, the "Old Media" and the "Angry Gay Left", accusing them of promoting a double standard.[6] The site has since been taken offline and the domain expired. He recently published a book titled The Great Media War.
 
So you are saying that the military should get primo healthcare and we should get dogshit? This is pretty much the same argument Jon Stewart made with that dumbass Bill Kristol. You are admitting that a socialized healthcare system (the one the military has) = better than a private one.

I love our troops and have a profound respect for what they do, but I'm also a human being. I don't want you getting better healthcare than just because you are fighting. Why should my cancer-stricken family member get denied care due to pre-existing bullshit conditon clauses just because we're not surrendering our lives to Uncle Sam? Fuck that noise. If that's how it's going to be, I'm moving to Sweden.

so you want the same medical benefits as me but you aren't doing any of the work?
 
As with everything Obama does, the right loses their mind. The fact of the matter is, the insurance companies are making money hand over fist because they are free and clear of actually paying for the medical expenses of anyone who actually needs medical attention... the elderly, the sick and the wounded. Obama was looking for a way to shift some of this financial burden back into the private sector. He wasn't trying to hurt the American soldier, because he's a secret Muslim, born in Kenya, here to destroy the American way of life. He floated an idea, the American people spoke, and democracy worked as it should. I know this is a strange concept for those on the Right, who were use the "the Decider's" word being final.

Ironically, the same people complaining about this move (pundits, not UM posters) are the same people telling us the government is incapable of providing healthcare. Funny... isn't it? Apparently our government is only capable of providing healthcare to those who actually need it it; the wounded and the elderly.

Zod
 
So you are saying that the military should get primo healthcare and we should get dogshit? This is pretty much the same argument Jon Stewart made with that dumbass Bill Kristol. You are admitting that a socialized healthcare system (the one the military has) = better than a private one.

To be fair, J-Man has long ago admitted in another thread that the government can do health care right, and that VA medi bene's are great.

I don't want you getting better healthcare than just because you are fighting. Why should my cancer-stricken family member get denied care due to pre-existing bullshit conditon clauses just because we're not surrendering our lives to Uncle Sam? If that's how it's going to be, I'm moving to Sweden.

The military is completely voluntary, is a federally operated 'business' and is responsible for it's 'employees'. One of the reasons someone takes a job is for the benefits. Lifetime free health care is a benefit of joining the military, which is one of the only jobs you literally put your life on the line for the country (in before LOL BULLSHIT FAKE WARS AND STUFF).

Your argument is irrational. "I CANT HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE SO YOU SHOULDNT HAVE IT EITHER, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE DOING WHATS REQUIRED TO HAVE IT AND I REFUSE TO."

There's about 1/5 the people in Sweden as there are here too. Someone brought that up to me the other day. 1/5 may seem trivial, but when you're playing with population numbers, the cost scale is insane. It's easier and cheaper to take care of 60,000,000 people than 300,000,000. Not that we shouldn't find a way to make sure no one goes without health coverage (lol so many negatives), it's just not as easy as saying "WELL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES DO IT" as I thought.