Sir Exar Kun
Member
It's not even just the music scene. "Entitlement" has become the American way of life. "What's mine is mine, and what's yours should be mine also."
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It's not even just the music scene. "Entitlement" has become the American way of life. "What's mine is mine, and what's yours should be mine also."
Jasonic
Doom On!
True - You have to blame reality TV to some degree.
I mean you have people who get their ugly ass mug (IE - that disgusting Snooki from Jersey Laguna Hills Shore, or whatever) on TV, and expect to be celebrated.
I mean you have people who get their ugly ass mug (IE - that disgusting Snooki from Jersey Laguna Hills Shore, or whatever) on TV, and expect to be celebrated.
skyrefuge
Member
I would say that's just as bad as unauthorized downloading, from the taking-food-off-Claus's-table perspective. You're listening to music without compensating the creators, just like unauthorized downloading. The only argument I can think of to differentiate the two activities is that the person you're buying the used CD from might then spend some of the money you gave him to buy more authorized music, but that's a tenuous argument at best.
No it's not. Well, sure, sales help determine where bands go, but I see no evidence that unauthorized downloading has changed anything there. People have ALWAYS complained that their bands never tour here. That's a simple result arising from two facts: not every band can tour everywhere all the time, and people like to complain when they don't get what they want. My feeling is that Euro-bands touring the US have only *increased* with the onset of unauthorized downloading (not saying there's a causative relationship, but there's definitely not an inverse relationship). After all, isn't one of ProgPower's main problems the fact that shows from Euro-bands are no longer exclusive?
Maybe they don't always make the most brilliant decisions, but do you really think that these major, multinational corporations are simply that ignorant? They may just have a better idea what they're doing than you do. And are CD prices really going up anyway? I haven't bought CDs in years, but I remember that 20 years ago, mall CDs were $17-$20, so it doesn't sound like they've gone up.
Ah, see! But they *do* apparently buy, so perhaps the corporation knows more about their business plan than you?
Neil
TribunalRecords
Record Label(s)/Vocalist
skyrefuge
Member
Ummm......yeah. Maybe this is why I don't put much stock in "common knowledge".
Let's look at some facts instead!
Metallica: Formed, October 1981. Album released July, 1983.
Helloween: Formed, 1983. Album released 1985.
Fates Warning: Formed, 1982. Album released 1984.
Queensryche: Formed, 1981. EP released 1983. "They had never played together live before the band was signed."
Neil
Dolamite S. Biffle
Biffliest Person Ever
Oh no its a terrible move, but thats how much I love going to ProgPower, and how much I want to contribute to this festival. I will spend probably 1/18 of my entire yearly income at PP this year. I almost lost my sponsorship due to my car expiring, but I figured it out some how. Could I buy more cds if I didnt go to PP? Absolutely but, then I wouldnt go to PP and have the greatest time of my life every year.
And at that you could counter "well if no one buys the albumss, then PP wouldnt exist since the bands couldnt" or whatever, to which I say, there is a counter-agreument for almost everything.
I do buy some records but when I had like 1/3 of my collection stolen out of my car it made me start downloading actually.
Dolamite S. Biffle
Biffliest Person Ever
I actually dont pay for a good portion of the shows I go because I help with the local promotion in exchange for free entry.
Just goes to show how much I like Manilla Road, I would rather talk to some cool people I met the previous day rather then watch MR who overall I find boring. I have quite a few of their records but nothing really stands out for me other then a handful of songs.
Sir Exar Kun
Member
Back in the day, this actually was a very hot topic, where the record industry did NOT want used material being sold at stores that also sold new material. The video game industry actually went so far as to buy back used games from consumers at big box retailers like Toys R Us, only to destroy those games so that they were off the market.
I would say that's just as bad as unauthorized downloading, from the taking-food-off-Claus's-table perspective. You're listening to music without compensating the creators, just like unauthorized downloading.
I'd actually say that while more socially acceptable, buying used CDs is much, much worse than downloading. Downloaders don't get a physical copy, and if they end up loving the music, they are very likely to get the album. But if you buy an album used, you've got the physical album and the artist still loses out.
On the other hand, I was searching for tracklists on Amazon and I was pretty shocked at just how many albums, many of which only came out two years ago, are already out of print. And of course many albums aren't available to us Americans, and frankly I don't blame anyone in a country where the album isn't available at all for downloading it. And that very downloading creates demand in that country that didn't exist before. A great example from the pre-internet days, is the Scorpions, who found that Russians knew all the songs even though no one could buy a Scorpions album in the Soviet Union. It was all bootlegs. The Scorps didn't make a dime during the Cold War, but I bet they rake in money from that region since 1990 or so!
I'd actually say that while more socially acceptable, buying used CDs is much, much worse than downloading. Downloaders don't get a physical copy, and if they end up loving the music, they are very likely to get the album. But if you buy an album used, you've got the physical album and the artist still loses out.
On the other hand, I was searching for tracklists on Amazon and I was pretty shocked at just how many albums, many of which only came out two years ago, are already out of print. And of course many albums aren't available to us Americans, and frankly I don't blame anyone in a country where the album isn't available at all for downloading it. And that very downloading creates demand in that country that didn't exist before. A great example from the pre-internet days, is the Scorpions, who found that Russians knew all the songs even though no one could buy a Scorpions album in the Soviet Union. It was all bootlegs. The Scorps didn't make a dime during the Cold War, but I bet they rake in money from that region since 1990 or so!
TribunalRecords
Record Label(s)/Vocalist
i lost thousands of CDs when my apartment burned down.
the world sucks, but you cannot blame it for your criminal activity.
actually, if you own the CD, don't you have a legal right to download? I know that with things like game ROMs, if you own the game, you can legally download the ROM.
TribunalRecords
Record Label(s)/Vocalist
Prog_Please
Member
So true. Look at the whole universal healthcare deal.
I thought buying my music instead of stealing it was pretty good, but now I have to buy it new?! I think you're wrong. The government says so.
nomisofsiman
Member
I think you meant to reference another statement in my post. Anyways, I never said it was the sole reason. All I'm saying is that a lot of times for promoters or bands to truly guage their audience and who's listening to them, cd sales used to be the best straight statistic for that. Most definitely are there other reasons why bands don't tour here, but lack of sales definitely is one of them.
I never said the prices have gone up, merely that sometimes companies will up costs of items when their profits aren't so good. Anyways, my main point was just that they're too expensive. Mall stores are notorious for overpricing cds/dvds because they know a lot of consumers are too lazy to just go across the street to a best buy and get the disc for 5 or so bucks cheaper. Basically, they're taking advantage of their customer. As for me, I hardly ever buy from stores and instead, usually go the online route.
Lastly, from working at FYE it wasn't just because I knew their stuff was too expensive, I also know from several customers per day how many people would just leave the store due to the high prices. Also, when I was working there (and this was before the major plummet of the economy) their sales were plummeting every year, so know I don't think they know what they're doing. I'm not saying I have the answer for everything either though.
nomisofsiman
Member
i lost thousands of CDs when my apartment burned down.
the world sucks, but you cannot blame it for your criminal activity.
Damn! That really sucks. I don't know what I'd do if that happened to me.
TribunalRecords
Record Label(s)/Vocalist
actually since i knew a ton of labels because of my record label plenty of them rallied and helped me rebuild my collection. Props to my friends at Relapse, Trustkill, Metal Blade, Ferret, Sanctuary and a few others that are slipping my mind at the moment (it's been about 5 years since it happened). some either sent me CDs for free or charged me ridiculously low prices to replace all i had lost.
not saying i haven't had to so some reinvestment and serious collector hunting, but it's what i love to do.
but it sucked there for about a year trying to figure out what i lost and what was missing, etc.
again, life sucks sometimes, but so many great things came about from the fire that i cannot look back on it in too much negative light at the current moment.
AngraRULES
Member
Shit happens.
I'm not trying to stir up anything but all I mean is that one wrong doesn't justify another (although like I said earlier, I wouldn't be a hypocrite saying I never download stuff).By the way, out of curiosity, did anything real rare or something get stolen? I've had CD's stolen before, but have been able to replace most of them if not all.
Plus, think of the positive side. Knowing you, you probably had some Dream Evil, Freedom Call and Manowar CDs in that stolen collection. When you think of those, it's safe to say that whoever took them did you a favor.
modernwizardry
I want stout!
some thoughts...
I will not pay for an mp3 that can be endlessly reproduced.
The fact that the music industry is crumbling is good in my opinion. It is weeding out all the people who are in it for the wrong reasons. The people and bands who are it purely for the music will continue making music and playing music regardless if they make a profit.
I will not pay for an mp3 that can be endlessly reproduced.
The fact that the music industry is crumbling is good in my opinion. It is weeding out all the people who are in it for the wrong reasons. The people and bands who are it purely for the music will continue making music and playing music regardless if they make a profit.
lasercd
Man Behind The Curtain
Many reasons. You might not know how to get a high quality rip(Itunes default is only okay), you might not be able to locate the CD when you're putting together an Itunes playlist, the CD might be damaged or lost. If it was an Itunes download, you might have lost it when your hard drive crashed.
The people and bands who are it purely for the music will continue making music and playing music regardless if they make a profit.
There will always be music, whether or not people make money. But will they pay for orchestras, the best production, etc.? I mean, if you are okay with metal CDs sounding like they did in 1996 when there were no sales, that's fine, but if you want to hear bands like Rhapsody, Avantasia, and Nightwish give you the whole epic experience, they need to have a big budget.
Same goes for movies and games. If you like independent films and Space Invaders, a non-profitable industry will not affect you. If you like big summer blockbusters and awesomely produced games, then people need to step up and buy them.
Mind you, I'm actually pro-file sharing, but we need to use it as a tool to help us find stuff to buy, not use it as a replacement for buying.
The people and bands who are it purely for the music will continue making music and playing music regardless if they make a profit.
There will always be music, whether or not people make money. But will they pay for orchestras, the best production, etc.? I mean, if you are okay with metal CDs sounding like they did in 1996 when there were no sales, that's fine, but if you want to hear bands like Rhapsody, Avantasia, and Nightwish give you the whole epic experience, they need to have a big budget.
Same goes for movies and games. If you like independent films and Space Invaders, a non-profitable industry will not affect you. If you like big summer blockbusters and awesomely produced games, then people need to step up and buy them.
Mind you, I'm actually pro-file sharing, but we need to use it as a tool to help us find stuff to buy, not use it as a replacement for buying.
