Amp in the control room, cab in the booth?

[deanbailey]

I've been wanting to know this for a while but thought it was a dumb question to post here, how do you guys connect your amps to your cabs when the head is in the control room and the cab and mics are in the booth? Or whats the correct way in doing this?

Like in "Matt Crooks" setup from the "Pictures from my project..." thread for example.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...tures-my-project.html?highlight=picture+of+my

Do you:
1. Go from your amp(which is in the control room) speaker output > snake jack > snake box > speaker cable > cab input?
2. Plug into a DI > direct out > snake jack > snake box out > normal jack > amp. then connect the amp to the cab as normal (in this case the amp is in the room with the cab)
3. Or do you have a long speaker cable through a hole in the wall?

I'm worried about doing number 1 because i know you're only supposed to use a speaker cable from head to cab etc etc. Is there a risk of damaging the head using the snakes jack in the output instead of a proper speaker cable?

I tried number 2, but i got a major hum which i used an outboard comp/gate to solve but it chewed too much of the actual signal than normal.

number 3...well the shorter the speaker cable the better.

Everyone I've asked didn't really know, so help would really be appreciated

 

[Curran]

here is the correct way to do this. it does cost some money BUT it is the best way and the safest way to not wreck your gear!!!!!!

you need a Nuetrik 1/4" input jack HARDWIRED to a SPEAKER CABLE line. you can buy rack mount panels that you can put the connector in then run the cable through your flooring or wall or what ever and HARD WIRE it to another Neutrik 1/4" connector in your iso booth. this connector then hooks up to your cbinet in the booth, and the head in the control room. it will cost about 2-5usd for each connector, 10-20usd for the rack panel, and 20-30usd for the cable. the other great thing about having the rack panel is you can put in all kins of differant connection for routing in your studio

Love Curran

 

[doc_backmask]

We did number 3 (under a door, no hole, but same idea) with a 50' speaker cable, and I think the guitars came out pretty well. You can hear it here. Did the bass the same way.

 

[deanbailey]

@Curran: Oh so its basically just another "speaker-cabled" snake.
Thanks so much for the (fast) replies,

 

[nwright]

Yeah, I'm with doc...We just ran a 50 ft. speaker cable to our cabs for guitar and bass. FWIW, they were some pretty stout cables, no idea if that made a difference, though.

 

[Curran]

yeah thats all it is. just not an audio snake cable. it will damage your stuff. so make sure you get some big thick speaker cable(maybe quad line for more noise rejection) and use the good connectors and you will love it. and I have not noticed any sound loss over the long apeaker runs I had to use for my studio.

Love Curran

 

[2012]

number 3...well the shorter the speaker cable the better.

You can run 100+ ft. of speaker cable without degradation.

 

[deanbailey]

You can run 100+ ft. of speaker cable without degradation.

thanks for clearing that up too.

There should be a "mythbusters in studio"

 

[Nebulous]

Except 100% accurate

 

[2012]

I wouldn't worry about a run of 50 ft. in a recording situation, nor would I worry if I needed 100 ft. in a live situation. Use a good cable, of course.

 

[16S]

..but when you hear guitars feed back on recordings i assume the player has actually stood in the booth in front of the cabinet?

 

[NickL]

I have a 50' cable going through my wall as well and it's perfectly fine

 

[Remy_5150]

you can get feedback in the control room if you boost the mids on the mix and crank the monitors just for the part you want feedback...just make sure the guitar player is standing very close to the monitors

 

[Matt Crooks]

I have dedicated speaker cable runs in my snake now, so that's how I've been doing it. At my last place, I just used a 25' cord and ran it under the door.

For feedback - I just put in earplugs and crank the monitors

 

[flytrapx]

I just put together a couple 60' mic cables and a speaker cable to track my cab in the basement with my control room on the 2nd floor and it works great

But definitely get a thick speaker cable, like 12awg or bigger.

 

[pifos_2]

another question on the subject,
for a speaker guitar cable, coming out of valve amp head, and going into a distant (about 50') cab,

is a 2x2,5mm² cable is enough

or is it better to use 2x4mm² ?

 

[JeffTD]

My longass 'speaker' cable is actually just an extension cord (big fat orange one) with the ends replaced with 1/4" Neutrik connectors.

 

[AudioPhile777]

My longass 'speaker' cable is actually just an extension cord (big fat orange one) with the ends replaced with 1/4" Neutrik connectors.

How did you do this? I've wanted to try it...

 

[Sloan]

Speaking of speaker cable.
I accidentally ordered 4 100' cables a few years ago. they're fucking long as hell and take up so much space (even when coiled up). I actually used two of them when I used to gig a lot, but I meant to order 4 50' cables and clicked the wrong thing and decided to just keep them because maybe on down the road I can cut them up into custom sizes...

 

[JeffTD]

How did you do this? I've wanted to try it...

Cut the ends off, use the white/black conductors, ignore the green .