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I think you and TR being so involved in the market you can't see the forest through the trees here. I don't understand how you can't comprehend what I'm saying, so ultimately, fuck it.
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I think you and TR being so involved in the market you can't see the forest through the trees here. I don't understand how you can't comprehend what I'm saying, so ultimately, fuck it.
and this happened where? hahaha, you and i both know it's nearly impossible. hahaha. "pipe dream"
Well that is my point, that it being a pipe dream is a huge problem hahaha
Well, you keep mentioning record labels in statements bands being on labels but then pressing their own records. there are two paths and they are as follows.
1) Sign to record label, record label owns your music until contract expires. Bands tour and sell cds they buy from the record label at shows, but in return they get promotional budgets, video budgets, tour support, etc. A wealth of investment capital labels have for bands that they wouldn't normally have.
2) DIY Route where the bands fund everything themselves, press and distribute their own music. Pay for video budgets, tour support, ads campaigns, PR firms, etc.
Just to clarify your posts constantly mesh the two and there cannot be both. Even if the business model for the labels is "failing" they will not give up ownership of music if they are investing their capital.
You act as if these two models are the only two models in existence. They are not. There are many shades of grey along with the black and the white. In fact, pretty much the entire black and death metal underground does not operate this way.
It isn't and it happens all the time. Just not with these 'real distributors' who get your albums into stores. Why that is important since less and less people are buying music in stores and more and more music stores are shutting down, I do not know. Internet reigns supreme and there are so many joint labels/distros that do carry DIY bands and do act directly with bands it's not even funny. And not even just 'small' bands.
i was simply trying to get him to clarify his point since it was confusing, mainly about ownership of the music never ending while record labels are around.
I know there is grey area, i have been doing this 13 years and i have a pretty vast knowledge of how my industry functions. i myself was a DIY label distributing my records from my apartment for the first 3 years of existence.
What is one of the "big" bands in these joint label/distros, just curious where their product originates. Also, give me an example of what you are describing as distro as well I am sure I have bought from them. hahaha.
Also, stores are closing yes but stores are still open and opening worldwide. Distribution is important whether you are in Best Buy or FYE or not. You can only reach so many customers via the internet. Still plenty of people not buying music that way.
Lol no. I searched for Elvenking and found a song called "woods of the elvenking". This was when napster was strictly P2P and you just browsed other people's shares and queued up what you wanted. There was no sales.
This is exactly what this whole thing started about with you and i. hahaha. I think you mean when napster was all about illegal file sharing. Good way to work in back into the discussion, buddy! So did you ever BUY those albums you found out about online or did you just download them illegally? hahahaha.
Proving my point for me with a fine example, thanks. hahaha.
Inquisition (although they recently signed to Season of Mist, haven't done anything yet though, this was literally a month ago)
Hell's Headbangers and Nuclear War Now, for starters
If I remember correctly, nailz was a sponsor -- you know, one of those guys who writes a couple hundred over to G -- for Elvenking the year they played PP. So your condescension isn't super effective and is pretty unnecessary.
I guess "big" is a relative term now too. hahaha.
I actually email HHB my wholesale list, but they don't seem to want to carry anything which i thought was hilarious because they carried the Dr. Living Dead on import, but now that I have released it they didn't want it so i figured they trade with High Roller Records whom i licensed the record from.
I am aware of some of these places, but it's not my goal to sell a few hundred copies on vinyl of my stuff. I want to sell my releases to as many people who would like to buy one.
Inquisition was able to draw close to 100 people in Atlanta last December on about 4 days noticed. Last minute tour since the fuckup from Rites of Darkness screwed up something with their flights. Inquisition is probably the biggest band in American black metal. You can add Deceased, Destroyer 666, and Blasphemy to the list if you'd like. There's more where that came from.
You can't be too aware of those places if you think that they only sell a few hundred vinyl copies and that's it. They carry and sell more CDs than vinyl, tapes, and zines.
Edit: And there is a reason these labels are CONSTANTLY releasing new, high quality material. They don't overestimate demand and get stuck with piles and piles of records. It's a different business model and one that works very, very well.