How many releases do you buy a year?

How many releases do you buy a year?

  • 0 - 25

    Votes: 25 34.2%
  • 25 - 50

    Votes: 24 32.9%
  • 50 - 100

    Votes: 15 20.5%
  • More than 100

    Votes: 9 12.3%

  • Total voters
    73
That is a stunning revelation.
:lol: Awesome, Justin.

I just watched an interview with Devon Graves. He said if people don't buy the new Psychotic Waltz disc, they won't be able to release another album because the label won't offer them a new contract. I guess, given their history in the genre, they're a good example of a band that needs to sell albums in order to continue, because if they don't they won't make music.

Oh, I forgot. They lack the passion. They're in it for the money only. Their fans have no obligation to support them and their label for putting out music. If they stop making music, so be it. Fans can simply hop on metal-archives and find one of those super productive bands overflowing with passion and stream their music for a couple cents.
 
:lol: Awesome, Justin.

I just watched an interview with Devon Graves. He said if people don't buy the new Psychotic Waltz disc, they won't be able to release another album because the label won't offer them a new contract. I guess, given their history in the genre, they're a good example of a band that needs to sell albums in order to continue, because if they don't they won't make music.

Oh, I forgot. They lack the passion. They're in it for the money only. Their fans have no obligation to support them and their label for putting out music. If they stop making music, so be it. Fans can simply hop on metal-archives and find one of those super productive bands overflowing with passion and stream their music for a couple cents.

Ah, OK, so he's talking about the potential sales for followup album to an album that hasn't even been released or even titled yet. Well done! If a band with the legacy of Psychotic Waltz can't find a label, or must remain with the current for whatever reason, hypothetical sales are probably just one issue of many. But streaming is certainly the easiest scapegoat, not lack of promotion or touring or what-have-you. Other than that, nice job arguing against a point that literally not a single person was making.
 
Psychotic Waltz is not the only band. There are many others who have had to quit due to lack of support by fans. How is that so hard to grasp?

I once met a guy who said he'll download the album of any band because the money he'd pay would be going to the label rather than the artist, so he said he'd only pay for a band if they played a gig in his hometown.

This is the type of sick mentality that puts bands out of business.
 
Psychotic Waltz is not the only band. There are many others who have had to quit due to lack of support by fans. How is that so hard to grasp?

It's not, and I agree with you! Where we disagree is that you are equating "lack of fan support" with increased streaming and downloading. The truth is that there are many different variables that go into this lack of fan support. Bad promotion. Bad songwriting. Too many other bands releasing good albums and taking the money (there were 200 metal albums released the year "A Social Grace" came out -- compare that to the 2700 released between Jan and Jun of this year alone -- there is not an unlimited supply of money, my friend).

Just how big are these bands that had to quit? Local? Regional? National? International? To blame every failure on streaming and downloading is short-sighted. Bands failed long before these two were ever a factor and will continue to fail after the industry has changed even more and moved on to the next big thing.

And, back to Psychotic Waltz, what have they done in the past 20 years to gain any new fan support? It is a two-way street. And, let's assume that Psychotic Waltz's hypothetical lack of fan-support really IS due in its entirety to streaming and downloading. That Psychotic Waltz is SO popular, that EVERYBODY is downloading their albums, and the bands actually selling records are selling records because not as many people are interested in downloading them. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Do financial troubles put bands out of business? Sure! But so do member conflicts, inactivity, sound changes, bad artwork, and dozens of other factors. Not every band's gonna make it big.
 
Psychotic Waltz is not the only band. There are many others who have had to quit due to lack of support by fans. How is that so hard to grasp?

I once met a guy who said he'll download the album of any band because the money he'd pay would be going to the label rather than the artist, so he said he'd only pay for a band if they played a gig in his hometown.

This is the type of sick mentality that puts bands out of business.

I bet he'd also buy a t-shirt too. Which is the #1 excuse, thieves roll out after the purloining has commenced. If someone won't buy a copy of an album, I doubt a concert ticket and t-shirt is in that person's future.

Same goes for the renters. Spotify is the equivalent of getting a temporary tattoo. You want to have it but not want to own it. Maybe, one day a company will exist where you can rent t-shirts. :heh::heh:
 
*Full* releases, I might buy five a year, maybe ten at most. I buy a handful of individual songs on iTunes as well.
 
Same goes for the renters. Spotify is the equivalent of getting a temporary tattoo. You want to have it but not want to own it. Maybe, one day a company will exist where you can rent t-shirts. :heh::heh:

You do realize that you don't own anything aside from an end user license when you buy a CD right?
 
I will also add that, at least in my opinion, and in the opinion of many of my friends, we are currently in the best times for Metal since the 80's. 2010-2012 had many great releases, way better than most of the years in the 90's-2009, but 2013 was stunning. The best year since the early 90's for Metal. 2014 is continuing this. It's impossible to keep up with all the great stuff that's coming out. There are more shows and fests than ever. So if this is the climate that "no fan support" creates, keep it coming!
 
I once met a guy who said he'll download the album of any band because the money he'd pay would be going to the label rather than the artist, so he said he'd only pay for a band if they played a gig in his hometown.

I've heard people say this too, it's a common thing a lot of kids sling on the internet without understanding the reality that the same label finances their records in the first place, isn't a charity, and has every right to make its money back the same way Verizon has a right to make money when you sign a cell phone contract with them. I never understood why that's an acceptable societal contract, but record deals are somehow innately evil and people should do everything in their power to screw the labels.

What's more, is that most of the merch bands sell on the road is purchased from the labels. So if you buy a CD from a band on tour, you're STILL giving the label money since the band is incentivized to order more copies from the label. It's such stupid reasoning.
 
Yep. An end user license that will never expire.

Neither will Spotify's. It's peculiar that someone who buys cross-region DVDs that aren't licensed for your territory (which takes legitimate sales from those territories away and potentially ruins the prospects of future releases in those regions) to be complaining about the entitlements of "renters".
 
It's something I can hold in my hand though, and sell if I choose later. The rest is just semantics.

That's your prerogative. While I too like to own certain CDs, I also don't want my apartment looking like it should be spotlighted on some reality TV show for hoarders. Digital has its advantages to people who want those advantages. I'm simply confounded by people who actually complain about legal means to consume music as though it matters. It's like those "PC master race" dorks that get mad at people for playing video games on consoles as if it's their business what platform people choose to enjoy entertainment on.
 
It's like those "PC master race" dorks that get mad at people for playing video games on consoles as if it's their business what platform people choose to enjoy entertainment on.

Well, given that PC gaming was almost dead a decade ago because the focus was on consoles, that animosity was earned. Fortunately, Steam has swung the pendulum the other way.

Getting back to the subject, I can understand the desire to own stuff, and to put additional worth on stuff over digital because it is tangible. That being said, my townhouse is full of stuff. Too much stuff that clutters the house and has made managing it unmanageable. It makes me want to move everything to digital because the bits and bytes don't take up space, don't get left out and potentially damaged, lost or broken. To be honest, I'm to the point where I've fallen out of love with physical stuff because I just want to get space back in my house.
 
Neither will Spotify's. It's peculiar that someone who buys cross-region DVDs that aren't licensed for your territory (which takes legitimate sales from those territories away and potentially ruins the prospects of future releases in those regions) to be complaining about the entitlements of "renters".

Sure it will. Once Spotify goes bust there goes your renter's library. Oh and what happens when a record company pulls their artists from the service? Shazam! The gaps will be instantaneous.

Re: Region Free

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=181065&page=238

Here's an interesting take on buying outside your territory.
 
Sure it will. Once Spotify goes bust there goes your renter's library. Oh and what happens when a record company pulls their artists from the service? Shazam! The gaps will be instantaneous.

Who cares? Conversely, CD players are becoming less and less available. Optical drives are defunct and almost all computers these days don't have them, and CDs degrade over time. Same difference, you're literally complaining about the same thing.


Re: Region Free

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=181065&page=238

Here's an interesting take on buying outside your territory.

You can stomach one set of mental gymnastics to justify entitlement in one sector of the entertainment industry while criticizing another?
 
While it's a wonderfully romantic notion that music bypasses the high-level analytical circuits, it's also empirically untrue. Before music reaches your "heart and soul", the organ it passes through is your ears. And if it sounds muddled to your ears, it's not likely to have the same impact on your heart and soul.

Well, "what you hear" (your ears) and "what you feel" (your heart and soul) are actually all created by a single thing: your brain. What we "hear" is something quite different than the physical soundwaves propagating through air. We only "hear" after our biased and simplifying brains have translated those soundwaves into something we can understand. This mismatch between the physical world and what we perceive is exactly what lossy compression algorithms like mp3 take advantage of in order to work.

So yes, obviously "what you hear" comes before "what you feel", but for music that you're familiar with, I think the "what you hear" part becomes less and less important. Essentially your brain just needs a trigger to internally reproduce memories and feelings that came from listening to the music before, and for that, "what you hear" can be extremely muddled, and "what you feel" won't really notice. But yeah, for new music, where no trigger to your soul yet exists, it's probably best for "what you hear" to be as close as possible to what the artist intended. And certainly every time your re-listen to something, your feelings/memories are updated, so actually listening to a song will have a greater/different effect than just reading the lyrics and replaying it entirely in your head.

Of course for something to actually sound "muddled", that's a problem with the original recording/mix, or the playback mechanism is broken. No real-world encoding will actually make something sound "muddled".

We've all gone to see one of our favorite bands when the sound was off. It just doesn't have the same impact as when the sound was dead on.

Citation needed. :) First, live sound is always "off". Even with the most-perfect sound engineer and venue, the difference between live sound and CD is going to be like 1000 times the difference between CD and poorly-encoded mp3. But because the melodies and rhythms are still perceptible (hopefully!), we don't notice how different it really is due to those brain heuristics.

I've certainly been to shows where the sound is more "off" than normal, and I've been to shows that haven't been as good as others by the same band playing the same song, but I don't have enough data to say that there's a genuine correlation between the two. There probably is, but even at shows where I think the sound sucks and it's hurting my enjoyment, I still see other people having the time of their lives, so maybe I just wasn't in the right mood, and I'm just using "the sound" as an explanation without basis? I think at the next show I'm at where I think the sound is bad, I need to pass out a questionnaire to all audience members asking them to score both the sound quality and their enjoyment level. Don't know why I've never done that before! :loco:

So let's say you were listening to Spotify on your phone. During the last app upgrade the sound quality setting had been reset from 320 down to 96. Can I assume you wouldn't bother adjusting that setting back to 320 because your fuzzy organs are so wonderfully imprecise?

No, I'd adjust it back to 320, but only because I, like everyone, have a "sound lover" living inside me simultaneously with the "music lover", and the stupid "sound lover" will always pipe up and whine when he notices something different. But if I was not allowed to change it back to 320, and all music-playback was changed to 96 and I just had to live with it, I have no doubt that after a brief adjustment period, my heart and soul would feel no different than they did when listening to 320 music. To believe otherwise would be to believe that people got more happiness from music in the late 90s (when CDs become dominant) than they did in the late 80s (when cassettes were dominant). And I just don't remember that. Sure, I remember people saying "hey, this sounds great!" but was there anyone who ever said "you know, I didn't really care for music before this, but now that I can hear it with a 16-bit dynamic range, it's totally changed my mind and I think I'm going to start getting into it"? Are teenagers today jerking off to HD porn actually enjoying it any more than I enjoyed my 256-color Christina Applegate fakes back in the day? Hard to imagine! :loco:

Earlier you said "sound lovers" and "music lovers" are two groups who have almost no overlap. Yet here you're acknowledging that seeking out better speakers/headphones can turn music from "a weak pop-up to short into a soaring home run" for even the "most casual fan". These two position seems diametrically opposed.

No, they aren't two separate groups, they're two separate personalities, both of which exist in everyone, to different degrees. Almost everyone is born with the "music lover" dominating over "the sound lover", and most people maintain that balance. But some, over time (the audiophiles) give themselves over almost completely to the "sound lover".

So even for people where it's the "music lover" that dominates, there is still a "sound lover", and that's the side that easily notices the difference in speakers/headphones. If that side is powerful enough, they'll convince their host human to upgrade, but the "music lover" will be like "Uh, thanks for trying I guess, but that didn't actually make anything better for me."

Now hopefully that was enough psychobabble BS rambling to make everyone give up on this thread!
 
I average probably 50 new, physical discs per year. I buy a few used CDs, but I have a personal rule for that as well. I only buy out of print, obscure CDs that are somewhat hard to find. I simply like to collect some of these overlooked gems from the early 90s. Often times, when a label like Rock Candy re-issues these OOP CDs, then I'll buy the re-issue. Jimi Jamison's early band, Cobra, being a good, recent example.

I absolutely don't pirate music. I look at bands that we listen to around here as small businesses. I'm a small business owner and I want to make money from what I do. These musicians deserve that same respect.

I'm not preaching, but simply telling you how I approach buying music.

~Brian~