Tarja out of Nightwish?

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Last night was the shoot for their new DVD, and the next day(today), this popped up on their website:

http://www.nightwish.com/english/lettertotarjaen.html

I'm going to hope that this is just stress from their tour, but I'm going to go out on a limb that this might be it for her in Nightwish. There's some pretty harsh words there. Thoughts?


The contents:
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Dear Tarja,
It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.
Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.
We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”.
I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.
You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.
You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.
In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.
We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.
Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.
Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.
It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!
We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.
This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.
All the best for your life and career,

Tuomas

Emppu Jukka Marco

Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.
 
That doesn't sound good, but if Nightwish can replace Tarja with a gal that can sing as well as her, while also beeing easy on the eyes I'd probably give them a chance. On the surface it might seem that no Tarja = no Nightwish, but I'm not so sure that is true. I don't much care for the decision to make a personal type of letter "open for everyone", but I'm not a big enough of Nightwish to get real worked up over it either.

Britt
 
was never really a fan of the band, but i'm sure this is big news to some people. the letter gives me the impression that these guys have good reason to be booting her
 
I agree that it doesn't seem too professional to air dirty laundry like that, but hell, I could even like 'em more with a new singer. If half that stuff is accurate, they do need to move on. Damn singers; they're always prima donnas. ;)

Shaye
 
Most insiders expected this to have already happened when the U.S. tour was canceled with no public explanation. However, if we had said anything, we risked working with Nightwish in the future if they kept going. In fact, I was rather surprised they continued as they did for as long as they did. I assumed they were hoping the success of "Once" would change the mindset of things. Sadly, it just magnified the deep split within the band.

I 100% believe Tuomas' s version of the facts. Knowing Tuomas the way I do, he had to be driven to his wit's end to write that. I honestly don't blame him based on the rumors I had heard for the past two years.

For those that need clarification in the letter, Tarja's husband (from South America) is also her personal manager. The business aspect of the band changed completely once he took over that role for her.

Glenn H.
 
Ahh...well...I'll continue liking nightwish either way, while tarja's voice is great, it was really tuomas's music that I was a huge fan of.

Maybe I'll be even a bigger nightwish fan now. who knows.
 
I was never really a big Nightwish fan to began with. I like some songs from every album they released but nothing they ever released has yet to break my barrier of awesomeness.

Maybe Nightwish can give Kim Goss a call. jejeje then again her vocals are drastically different
 
Damn, that really blows. Whoever steps in to replace Tarja is going to have some big shoes to fill. Sounds like Tuomas did what he had to do, though, to keep Nightwish going in the right direction.
 
Hmm, i really though they had broken up earlier. I mean, as soon as I heard that they cancelled their US tour, AND that Tarja was doing solo shows, I kinda, knew something was up..PLUS, have you guys seen that DVD? She's barely in it.

btw - I am going to label this the Suzanne Sommers Syndrome.
 
lady_space said:
Damn singers; they're always prima donnas. ;)

Shaye

I got your joke Shaye. :D

I just hope they don't grab up another vocalist from a good, frmale fronted band. Hopefully, they'll either get somebody unknown, or somebody who's a great vocalist with a crappy band.
 
Well considering what Tarja has been doing and saying the past couple of years, I'm glad that she's out. Nor am I surprised. Unless Tarja wakes up and smells the bullshit, she should stay out. I'm glad that Nightwish is determined to continue on w/o her! That just shows you how great those four guys really are! And as someone else previously mentioned before I am a fan of their music, as opposed to just Tarja. It's funny, I've had more fun watching them after Tarja walked off stage. Not that I'm saying that I wasn't entertained when she was with the on stage though. She is hot and talented, but those qualities alone can't carry you in a band like Nightwish. I'm sure that they can find a great and dedicated female replacement singer, with how established they are and their great reputation. Well until they find a replacement it would be nice if, after Epica is done touring, Simone Simmons could record and tour with them! I know that is probably unrealistic, but she is a more than qualified to fill those shoes!
 
Petethedrummer said:
Ahh...well...I'll continue liking nightwish either way, while tarja's voice is great, it was really tuomas's music that I was a huge fan of.

Maybe I'll be even a bigger nightwish fan now. who knows.

That's the way I look at it, too. Tarja is a gifted vocalist, but she was never the star attraction for that band for me. She certainly added a lot to the band, but I think that if they can find another talented vocalist, Tuomas and co. will be able to continue without missing a beat.