Techincal (math) metal

Cheiron

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I know a couple technical/math metal groups have played at ProgPower in the past, Spiral Architect being perhaps the master of that style.

However, there does not seem to be much coming out in this genre lately? Do other people enjoy it as much as I do? Oddly, I'm not a big jazz, nor jazz fusion fan... but I really get into this stuff.

Some groups I really like::

Spiral Architect
Anata
Aghora
Cynic
Meshuggah
Behold the Arctopus
... and after friday's Wrekage show -- Necrophagist.
 
There's actually quite a bit of good stuff coming out at the heavier (death vox generally only, can lean or even fall over into near-grind at times) end of the spectrum.

A few I love that you haven't listed:

Necrophagist: "Epitaph"
Martyr: "Warp Zone"
Psycroptic: "Symbols of Failure"
The Shattering: "Begins"
Serdce: "Cyberley"

There's many, many more, some better than others. For a small-group discussion on the matter - beware, 'core-based stuff does sneak in more than occasionally, however - try The Death Cafe.
 
A lot of technical or math metal bands have some fusion/jazz influences, which i think is cool. You should already know many of the bands I'm about to list:

Meshuggah is quite rhythmically "mathy." Their solos, as many have observed, are rather Holdsworth-ian.
If you like Spiral Architect, I'm sure you'll like Twisted into Form, which is basically Spiral Architect all over again. (It also has Extol's drummer)
Linear Sphere should appeal to fans of Cynic.
Behold....the Arctopus are touring with Dysrhythmia.

And duh, everybody should love WATCHTOWER!
And if you love Watchtower, you're probably already anticipating Ron Jarzombek's "Blotted Science", his instrumental tech project with Alex "Hammer Smashed Bass" Webster and Derek Roddy. Spin those Spastic Ink CDs a few more times while you're waiting :)
Cryptopsy - not bad, very technical, vocally they're crap though.
Dark Angel - Time Does not Heal.
Believer - Sanity Obscure is a tech-thrash classic.
Don't forget Planet X! Did somebody say Virgil?!?!
If you like neoclassical guitar playing, Winds should be right up your alley. Less choppy and more flowing than technical bands. Probably Hellhammer's most demanding band, although artistically I like Arcturus more (less technical band).
For more death metal fix, dig that Gorguts - Obscura! One of the WEIRDEST albums I've ever heard.
Atheist is a no-brainer if you like metal with brains. Especially the latter two albums.

If you REALLY like jazzy stuff, check out A Triggering Myth.
For lots of unusual textures and varied instrumentation, check out Canvas Solaris, an EXTREMELY promising band who I wouldn't be surprised to see on ProgPower one of these years.
Chris Poland's OHM should satisfy a hunger for fancy guitar playing.
For the prog-minded math-rockers out there, you already love mid-recent King Crimson. You may also have heard of My Complex, a Michigan math-rock band (not metal) who've been broken up for years. Minus the Bear is getting attention in this area lately.

And if influence outside the metal genre isn't your bag and you just want the straight up tech death, get a load of some Arsis and Theory in Practice.

I don't listen to tech all day, but there are times when you're less in the mood for dripping emotion and more in the mood for some instrumental pyrotechnics. Don't let the naysayers distract you: sure, endless wanking is boring, but when you gotta have it, you just gotta have it!
 
TychoCelchu said:
Cryptopsy - not bad, very technical, vocally they're crap though.

Dude...Lord Worm is one of the best and most respected death metal vocalists of all time. You can't discern a word he says, true, but no one does the guttural death grunts better, and with more stage flair (the guy has such a menacing presence live, it's incredible:heh: ). And he's extremely intelligent to boot (his lyrics are quite thoughtful and poetic, as compared to most death metal lyrics).

TychoCelchu said:
For lots of unusual textures and varied instrumentation, check out Canvas Solaris, an EXTREMELY promising band who I wouldn't be surprised to see on ProgPower one of these years.

I couldn't agree more. I actually came into this thread to recommend this band. I recently bought their album "Penumbra Diffuse," and I believe it is one of the best releases so far in 2006. GREAT STUFF!!!:headbang:
 
I just want to go on record as saying that "math metal" is the gayest descriptor for a music genre that I've ever heard. It beats our Rhapsody's "Symphonic Epic Hollywood Metal".
 
I have been a fan of complex/technical metal for a long time now, and I've amassed quite a collection of bands that I think fit the bill or at least would be of interest to fans of complex music. I have some compilation CDRs I am happy to send to people in order to turn them on to new bands in this subgenre. If interested, e-mail me at johnfrank1970 at yahoo.com.

To give you an idea of where I am coming from, my list of complex releases I like is below, followed by lists of my faves.

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX DEATH

Absonant Cadence (Inside Out-Life)
Absorbed (Avowals compilation)
Acid Death (Random's Manifest)
Alarum (Promo 2002, Eventuality)
Aletheian (Dying Vine)
Algophobia (s/t)
Amnesia (Land of No Return)
Atheist (Unquestionable Presence, Elements)
Aydra (Icon of Sin, Hyperlogical Non-sense)
Banisher (Sorrow of Death Demo)
Between the Buried and Me (Alaska)
Cadaveric Crematorium (Serial Grinder)
Canvas Solaris (Promo 2001)
Capharnaum (Fractured)
Carcariass (Killing Process)
Centaurus A (Narcotic Demo)
Coprofago (Genesis)
Cryptopsy (And Then You'll Beg)
Cynic (Focus)
Darkness Remains (To Touch the Depths of Sorrow)
Deadborn (Decades of Decapitation Demo)
Death (Individual Thought Patterns, The Sound of Perseverance)
Decapitated (Nihility, Winds of Creation)
Deeds of Flesh (Inbreeding the Anthropophagi)
Demilich (Nespithe)
Detachment (Suspended in Stone)
Dim Mak (Enter the Dragon)
Dissonance (Look to Forget)
Dive In Minds (Innocent Victims)
Domination through Impurity (Essence of Brutality)
Dungortheb (Intended To...)
Ebony Lake (On the Eve of the Grimly Inventive)
Embrionic Death (Stream of Solidarity... Demo)
Ephel Duath (Phormula, The Painter's Palette)
Epoch of Unlight (What Will Be Has Been)
Esicastic (Atman Demo)
Exivious (Demo)
Forlorn Legacy (Paths of Insanity)
Gorguts (Obscura)
Gorod/Gorgasm [France] (Neurotripsicks)
Gory Blister (Skymorphosis, Art Bleeds, Cognitive Sinergy EP)
Hectic Patterns (The Grand Hare Order Demo)
Illogicist (Polymorphism of Death Demo, Dissonant Perspectives Demo, Subjected)
Infernal Poetry (Beholding the Unpure)
Into the Moat (Means by which the End Is Justified EP)
Ion Dissonance (Breathing Is Irrelevant)
Kenos (Intersection)
Korum (Son of the Breed, No Dominion)
Lemorth (Hold the Balance of Power Demo)
Lethargy (Anthology - all releases)
Liers in Wait (Spiritually Uncontrolled Art)
Martyr (Warp Zone, Hopeless Hopes)
Mutant (The Aeonic Majesty)
Necrophagist (Onset of Putrefaction, Epitaph)
Neglected Fields (Synthinity, Mephisto Lettonica)
Ninth Level (s/t)
Nocturnus (The Key)
Pavor (Furioso)
Pitbulls in the Nursery (Lunatic)
Polluted Inheritance (Betrayed, Into Darkness)
Prejudice (Dominion of Chaos, Reality)
Psychotogen (The Calculus of Evil)
Psycroptic (The Scepter of the Ancients, Symbols of Failure)
Psypheria (Embrace the Mutation, Gothic Disturbance)
Quo Vadis (Day into Night, Defiant Imagination)
Sceptic (Pathetic Being, Blind Existence)
Scholomance (The Immortality Murder, A Treatise on Love)
Scrambled Defuncts (Hackled in Gore)
Serdce (Cyberly)
The Shattering (The Shattering Begins)
Sinners Bleed (From Womb to Tomb)
Spawn of Possession (Cabinet)
Strangulation (Between Nothing and Eternity)
Surgical Dissection (Disgust)
Symbyosis (Crisis, On the Wings of Phoenix)
Terminal Function (Time Bending Patterns Version 1.0 Demo, Time Bending Patterns Demo, The Brainshaped Mind Demo)
Theory in Practice (The Armageddon Theories, Third Eye Function, Colonizing the Sun)
Thrawn (Light Creates Shadows Demo)
Thy Nature (s/t EP)
Trepalium (Alchemik Clockwork of Disorder)
The Unchallenged (Sceneries)
Vivid X - V. Xtremal Progress
Vortex (Colours out from the Emptiness)
Warchitect (A Sea of Red, Mind)
Winter Bestowed (Within My Labyrinthine Heart EP)

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX THRASH

Altered Aeon (Dispiritism)
Aydra (Icon of Sin, Hyperlogical Non-sense)
Believer (Sanity Obscure, Dimensions)
Coroner (No More Color, Punishment for Decadence, R.I.P.)
Deathrow (Deception Ignored)
Droys (And If...)
Dyoxen (First among Equals)
Extol (Synergy)
Hypnotheticall (In Need of a God?, Thorns)
Protest the Hero (Kezia)
Sieges Even (Life Cycle)
Skeptic Sense (Presence of Mind)
Thrawn (Light Creates Shadows Demo)
The Unchallenged (Sceneries)
WatchTower (Control and Resistance, Energetic Disassembly)

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX METALCORE

Between the Buried and Me (Alaska)
Protest the Hero (Kezia)

TECHNICAL METAL

Spiral Architect (A Sceptic's Universe)

COMPLEX PROG METAL

Aghora (s/t)
Catharsis (Pathways to Wholeness)
Complex 7 (Water, Process)
Dream Theater (When Dream and Day Unite)
Frantic Bleep (Fluctuadmission Demo)
GracePoint (Science of Discontent, Full Circle Demo)
Manitou (Entrance)
Power of Omens (Rooms of Anguish, Eyes of the Oracle)
Psychotic Waltz (A Social Grace)
Pyramid (The Immaculate Lie)
Redemption (The Fullness of Time)
Sieges Even (Sophisticated)
Thought Industry (Songs for Insects, MODs Carve the Pig)
Zero Hour (The Towers of Avarice)

TECHNICAL INSTRUMENTAL METAL

Actual Time (Time Frame, s/t)
Behold... The Arctopus (Arctopocalypse Now... Warmageddon Later)
Canvas Solaris (Spatial/Design, Sublimation)
Continuo Renacer - s/t
Enditol (Demo)
Foe (Arm Yourself With Clairvoyance)
Ron Jarzombek (Phhhhp!, Solitarily Speaking of Theoretical Confinement)
Spastic Ink (Ink Complete, Ink Compatible)

PORNO TECHNICAL METAL

Spooge (Demos)

TECHNICAL/PROGRESSIVE/COMPLEX DEATH & THRASH FAVORITES

FIRST TIER

Atheist (Unquestionable Presence)
Aydra (Icon of Sin)
Believer (Sanity Obscure)
Coroner (No More Color, Punishment for Decadence)
Cynic (Focus)
Death (Individual Thought Patterns, The Sound of Perseverance)
Deathrow (Deception Ignored)
Decapitated (Nihility)
Esicastic (Atman Demo)
Extol (Synergy)
Gory Blister (Art Bleeds, Cognitive Sinergy EP)
Korum (Son of the Breed)
Martyr (Warp Zone)
Necrophagist (Onset of Putrefaction, Epitaph)
Protest the Hero (Kezia)
Psycroptic (The Scepter of the Ancients, Symbols of Failure)
Psypheria (Embrace the Mutation, Gothic Disturbance)
Quo Vadis (Day into Night)
Sceptic (Pathetic Being, Blind Existence)
Scholomance (The Immortality Murder)
Sieges Even (Life Cycle)
Sinners Bleed (From Womb to Tomb)
Spawn of Possession (Cabinet)
Spooge (Demos)
Theory in Practice (The Armageddon Theories)
The Unchallenged (Sceneries)
WatchTower (Control and Resistance)

SECOND TIER

Acid Death (Random's Manifest)
Alarum (Promo 2002)
Aletheian (Dying Vine)
Algophobia (s/t)
Altered Aeon (Dispiritism)
Atheist (Elements)
Carcariass (Killing Process)
Coprofago (Genesis)
Death (Human)
Decapitated (Winds of Creation)
Dissonance (Look to Forget)
Dyoxen (First among Equals)
Embrionic Death (Stream of Solidarity... Demo)
Forlorn Legacy (Paths of Insanity)
Hypnotheticall (In Need of a God?, Thorns)
Infernal Poetry (Beholding the Unpure)
Korum (No Dominion)
Lemorth (Hold the Balance of Power Demo)
Neglected Fields (Synthinity, Mephisto Lettonica)
Polluted Inheritance (Betrayed)
Terminal Function (Time Bending Patterns Version 1.0 Demo)
Theory in Practice (Third Eye Function)
Thy Nature (s/t EP)
Vortex (Colours out from the Emptiness)
Winter Bestowed (Within My Labyrinthine Heart EP)
 
Between the Buried and Me is a surprisingly great metalcore band that is mixed in with a terrible genre. They would fit in in any metal show, but are way above the average cut of American metalcore.

One of my guitarist friends was actually invited to audition for them at one point, but he turned them down because it would involve him quitting school and moving away from home, among other things.
 
eaeolian said:
The master speaks!

Mike likes a lot of this stuff too. He's just not quite as committed as I am o_O

BTW, for some reason, my edit adding Serdce - Cyberly to my list won't work. Oh well. I doubt a lot of people here will be flooding my e-mail account noting the omission :)
 
John, thanks =D You should try out Anata and Aghora.

And I'm not sure why you'd put Death in second tier. Their 2000-2003 material, when they had some of the primary talent from Cynic, is definitely first tier.