Michael to be con-Vick-ted

[Ascension]

What I do have a big problem with are these ranches that these "hunters" pay a fortune to go on to have a guide tell them where the game can be found, so that they have a clear shot at it. I find these places so silly, because to me it takes the whole sport out of the thing.

~Brian~

Caged hunts...as deplorable as dog fighting...the animal doesn't have a chance, yet they are allowed. Why? The answer could probably be found in who participates in them. Mostly those with money to throw away...lawyers, judges, CEOs...l think you catch my drift.

What I find ironic (and just a tad hypocritical) is that the other 50 dogs "rescued" from Michael Vick will be euthanized today if no one adopts them.

I guess animal control and PETA didn't think those dogs "tested well" either.

Very hypocritical...and deplorable as well.

 

[Meedleyx10]

Think about it I have & l'll add some. Dog fighting is the least of our worries in our society...yet the media are all over it because of the fringe groups (PETA, Humane Society, etc.) that are pushing their liberal agendas on everybody. And as you can tell...zombies fall in line. What Vick and those affiliated with him have done is extremely wrong, but it's nothing that makes my blood boil. In the rural South, dog fighting & cock fighting is something you know happens. It's common knowledge where some of these take place...people from multiple states indulge in these things & hundreds of thousands of dollars float in them. Yet, these happen on a regular basis and are not hampered by law enforcement or radical groups. Why? I can answer that for the radical groups...because for them to show up at one these events to protest without proper escort from the law would spell disaster for them. Some of the rough element that are associated with the events would make them disappear...period. I can't answer for law enforcement though. But yet, they both go after... with vengeance... the high profle athlete that was alleged associated with this type of animal abuse at the time it was uncovered. Is the other element l described that do this not high profile enough? l would think it shouldn't matter...but apparently it does.

Anyway...when animals have taken importance over humans & the suffering that is being inflicted upon humans, it's just another sign that we are going into the toilet. l'll end this with some links that bother me. The incidents in them most aren't aware of...but have an association. Where's the media attention? This involves our fellow human beings being killed not animals...someone should be screaming from the rooftops.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...slug=ms-morningrush081307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=05201780-1857-4dfc-8d30-ccc1754cd280&rss=102

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/08/16/newsupdate/03pitbull.txt

The things you've got to remember when using those arguments is that the reason the media is all over this isn't so much because of the crime, but because the criminal is a very well known, very wealthy athlete. It's the name drawing attention moreso than the crime. I don't think anybody is taking this whole case to be more relevant or more of tragedy than human suffering. This case has yet to get the coverage of something like the Michael Jackson case for example. People need to hear the story before they can get up in arms about it. You can't fault society for getting up in arms about an inhumane piece of shit like Michael Vick when the whole thing is getting so much media coverage but not reacting to a multiple murder case in the ghetto that they didn't actually hear of. And as far as the comment about the rural south communities....common or not it's just as wrong when the neighborhood goon is doing it as when Michael Vick is doing it. The various animal rights groups have to keep politics in mind though, afterall they are promoting a cause. They are going to do A LOT more for their cause if they see to it that Michael Vick gets locked up and forfeits his career than if they get some gas station attendent in some Bumfuck town that will get newpaper coverage if any.

 

[J-Dubya 777]

J-Dubya, I'm a former hunter myself. I use to go hunting with my stepdad when I was in high school during the early 90's. When I went off to college I just simply lost interest in it and didn't have the time. With that said, I have no problems with people hunting if it's done legally and the right way. I don't have a problem with hunting clubs either if you're referring to various associations, but I'm not sure if I'm following what you're calling a hunt club. What I do have a big problem with are these ranches that these "hunters" pay a fortune to go on to have a guide tell them where the game can be found, so that they have a clear shot at it. I find these places so silly, because to me it takes the whole sport out of the thing.

~Brian~

That is exactly what I'm talking about. The shipped in game. IMO, if you want to hunt, spend a few days in the woods/fields, tracking, in the natural environment. Not in a 20 acre spread where the game is shipped in on trucks every couple days. Associations and such, I have no problem with....

 

[J-Dubya 777]

Caged hunts...as deplorable as dog fighting...the animal doesn't have a chance, yet they are allowed. Why? The answer could probably be found in who participates in them. Mostly those with money to throw away...lawyers, judges, CEOs...l think you catch my drift.



Very hypocritical...and deplorable as well.

Agreed 110%!

 

[edgeofthorns]

That is exactly what I'm talking about. The shipped in game. IMO, if you want to hunt, spend a few days in the woods/fields, tracking, in the natural environment. Not in a 20 acre spread where the game is shipped in on trucks every couple days. Associations and such, I have no problem with....

Yep, you can get up at 4 o'clock in the morning, freeze your butt off, and take your chances in a normal environment like my stepdad and I use to do. Most of the time, I'd fall asleep! LOL...

~Brian~

 

[sh0kr0k]

I watch the animal rescue shows on the Animal Planet channel, and people get sent to prison for years on federal animal abuse and cruelty charges. The indictment of Vick clearly outlines numerous cases of intentional animal cruelty and he is "taking responsibility for his actions" (aww, how 'classy' :Smug: muthaf****r!)... for him to get anything less than the rest of the criminals guilty of these crimes would be a direct display of our country's judicial hard-on for pop culture entertainment.


I don't know if that came out right, but it basically echoes what you all have said. Animal cruelty, especially by those who 'should know better' and are pop idol figures, gets me quite upset. I have to be done with this topic now...

What I find ironic (and just a tad hypocritical) is that the other 50 dogs "rescued" from Michael Vick will be euthanized today if no one adopts them.

I guess animal control and PETA didn't think those dogs "tested well" either.

The sad part is I bet most of those dogs were in such bad shape that they were beyond saving (or would have permanent and painful damage) and just needed to have their suffering ended

 

[Ascension]

The various animal rights groups have to keep politics in mind though, afterall they are promoting a cause. They are going to do A LOT more for their cause if they see to it that Michael Vick gets locked up and forfeits his career than if they get some gas station attendent in some Bumfuck town that will get newpaper coverage if any.

This is where your argument possibly fails. If the dog fighting continues despite this high profile case...what have they gained? l promise you it will continue.

Unless what you mean by "going to do ALOT more for their cause" is that contributions to their organization (read that $$$) will increase by pursueing the high profile case...then you would be correct. l would bet this has a whole lot less to do with animal rights than you or I could imagine. Pockets have to be lined. Agendas...everybody has them...some are more obvious than others. :Smug:

The sad part is I bet most of those dogs were in such bad shape that they were beyond saving (or would have permanent and painful damage) and just needed to have their suffering ended

From reports l have read, the majority were good...a little malnourished. But, it would cost them to continue upkeep considering noone wants to readily adopt a breed of dog known to kill humans into their families. Read above about agendas.

 

[sh0kr0k]

From reports l have read, the majority were good...a little malnourished. But, it would cost them to continue upkeep considering noone wants to readily adopt a breed of dog known to kill humans into their families. Read above about agendas.

So they are dangerous and unfit for adoption then. What a sad existence for those poor animals. The awful irony, the same vicious behaviour they needed to cultivate in order to survive ultimately led to their destruction

 

[edgeofthorns]

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JUSTICE IS SERVED!!!

~Brian~

 

[Meedleyx10]

This is where your argument possibly fails. If the dog fighting continues despite this high profile case...what have they gained? l promise you it will continue.

Unless what you mean by "going to do ALOT more for their cause" is that contributions to their organization (read that $$$) will increase by pursueing the high profile case...then you would be correct. l would bet this has a whole lot less to do with animal rights than you or I could imagine. Pockets have to be lined. Agendas...everybody has them...some are more obvious than others. :Smug:

Of course dog fighting is still going to go on. No single case or event is going to stop that. I guarantee you though that if the smaller circuits see some big, rich, famous athlete get locked up for a couple years they will probably start to rethink what they are doing. Beyond that, just the fact that Michael Vick's case is getting so much more attention will lead the media to pick up on more instances of dog fighting and other animal abuse because, at least for a little while, it's going to be a point of interest in the general public. In essence, it's just really not going to be a good time to be an animal abusing scumbag.

 

[Meedleyx10]

well, he's been suspended indefinitely without pay by the NFL and the Falcons have been told that they could "assert any claims or remedies" to reclaim 22 million dollars of the signing bonus from his 130 million dollar contract. I'll save the rant about how ridiculous of an amount of money that is (the 130 million)

 

[Ascension]

He is also not pleading guilty to dog fighting or gambling. He is only pleading guilty to bankrolling his buddies. Interesting.

 

[Ascension]

will lead the media to pick up on more instances of dog fighting and other animal abuse because

LOL...you give the media way too much credibility. The only way they pick up on other cases is if it involves other high profile people. You said it yourself...nobody cares if Joe the local gas pumper is dog fighting. But, l promise you...the average Joe is the guy more deeply involved than Vick ever thought of being. But average Joe doesn't play on your tv screen. There's no money in it.

 

[Meedleyx10]

He is also not pleading guilty to dog fighting or gambling. He is only pleading guilty to bankrolling his buddies. Interesting.

he's also pleading guilty to taking part in ( i think that was the wording used) of the killing of several dogs that did not perform well in test fights.

I don't think I'm overestimating the media at all BTW, dogfighting/animal cruelty is a hot topic right now as a result of the Vick case so the media will latch onto it for a bit to milk it for all it's worth.

 

[Stingray11214]

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JUSTICE IS SERVED!!!

~Brian~

That picture is a scream.

 

[AngraRULES]

Vick is a stupid piece of shit who deserves to be in jail.

I hope he gets raped in there. In all honesty.

Sorry for being so rude, but what he has done is pretty horrible in my book.

 

[rockyracoon]

Vick is a stupid piece of shit who deserves to be in jail.

I hope he gets raped in there. In all honesty.

Sorry for being so rude, but what he has done is pretty horrible in my book.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Pellaz]

Yeah, don't mince words, AngraRules.

I hope he gets raped in there. In all honesty.

Not hard to arrange. * paging King Gorilla.... paging King Gorilla... *


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