New Kamelot - Silverthorn

I'm not sure I've ever seen Helloween acknowledge departed band members in any of their liner notes (with the exception on Ingo of course) and they've had many important members leave throughout the years. I just don't think it's customary.

Seriously, am I the only one here that has seen bands acknowledge former members in their liner notes?

BTW, Helloween thank Kai Hansen and wish him luck in the liner notes of Pink Bubbles Go Ape (at least the original version that I have) . After that, who could keep track of their revolving door of hired guns?

Edit: I'm not going through my music collection for specific examples but Testament's Low was on hand, and they thank Alex Skolnick in the thanks section, along with other former members of their touring lineup.
 
Seriously, am I the only one here that has seen bands acknowledge former members in their liner notes?
Not at all, I've seen it plenty of times. I happened to have "Dystopia" sitting on my desk, and Jon thanks Matt in it, so that's at least one example. I think that a band thanking an ex-member is going to be a mix of how long that person was in the band, what the circumstances of the split were, how important they were to the band, and how long it's been.
 
I'm not saying it should be expected, but I am sometimes surprised when long tenured members receive no mentions. Especially when there seemed to be a lot of comradery omongst the band.
 
I know on this board it is much more en vogue to debate the semantics of liner notes or illegally downloading music (I keed I keed) ;) but for a second I would love to talk about the thing mentioned in the thread title; the new Kamelot album.


I really am very happy with this album. I guess I should set up a context for my view on the album. In some ways it reminds me of the last Dream Theater album in terms of importance in the band's history. Both bands lost incredibly valuable members that brought into doubt in many people's mind if they could continue to make good music. Unfortunately I was one of those people. Not to devalue the contributions of Youngblood and Palotai, but I always thought Khan was one of the main reasons that they stood out in a very crowded genre. And to be honest when it was announced that Khan left I lost a lot of interest in the band. This was probably a combination of my pessimism in their ability to replace Khan and my feeling that Poetry was a "good" but not "great" album.

Fast forward to the day they announced Tommy as their singer. I was initially upset, not because I thought they made a bad choice, but because I thought it mean no more Seventh Wonder. But once the dust settled I was left with hope for their future and some of that excitement was starting to return. After seeing them twice now with Tommy, I was assured that they were better than ever as a live band, the question still remained about the new music. I must say that I really love the new album and Tommy's performance on it. I was a little worried that Tommy woud evoke Khan (like on Sacrimony) the whole album, but that is not the case. Overall the songs are great and I cannot wait to see them live.

Sure, I agree a bit with some of the complaints others have with some of the song writing being a little "samey" compared to some previous releases. But I think the first album with a new singer, they were likely trying to capture a classic sound for the band. Dream Theater did the same think on ADTOE. When you have such a major change, I don't think it is the time to change up the sound. Also, parts/all of both of those albums were written before the new member joined the band. So in both cases, I really look forward to the next album to see the true creative contributions of Tommy and Mike Mangini.

So in the context of an album that helps reestablish or stabilize their status as a top band in the genre despite a huge line-up change, I cannot see this album as anything but a success. As a person that was a doubter, this album completely reinvigorated my love for the band. My wife felt the same way and we have both been diving into the back catalog a ton after seeing the at PP. As I said, it is not a perfect album and I could nitpick here or there. But to be honest with you, my joy of seeing this band back putting out good music in spite of losing one of the best singers in the genre completely makes me over look such things. So all and all this should likely be one of my top 5 albums of the year.
 
So far it's been a couple of weeks and Silverthorn is still my most listened to album. It's certainly going to be in my top of the year list. I am really enjoying this record.
 
I know that, and I was amazed at how I had to explain myself, as if it were a completely foreign practice for bands to acknowledge former members.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone around here needed that explanation, though. It's common sense. However, what is amazing is the fact that you seem to be surprised they didn't do it this time.

They were part of the history of the band. Fine, I get that. But they're not in the band anymore and hasn't contributed to the making of this album. It's almost like an ex girlfriend... even if you had an amicable breakup, you don't thank her for the good times after a few years, do you? I don't think the Kamelot members did either...
 
I know that, and I was amazed at how I had to explain myself, as if it were a completely foreign practice for bands to acknowledge former members.


Foreign..no. Uncommon...yes.

As for your feeling of amazement, welcome to the club. I'm amaze myself with the number of smart-ass posts I put up with here.
 
Absolutely. I don't think anyone around here needed that explanation, though. It's common sense. However, what is amazing is the fact that you seem to be surprised they didn't do it this time.

They were part of the history of the band. Fine, I get that. But they're not in the band anymore and hasn't contributed to the making of this album. It's almost like an ex girlfriend... even if you had an amicable breakup, you don't thank her for the good times after a few years, do you? I don't think the Kamelot members did either...

exactly!
 
Alright, it is what it is with the thank yous, I never meant to launch a debate about liner notes. I was just adding to what someone else said about not seeing Khan in there this time around. On with talking about this amazing album!
 
I really liked Silverthorn. Probably the only thing I was a bit disappointed about with this album is that there were only two "power metal-esque" songs (Sacrimony and Solitaire). The album itself is great though, Tommy's voice fits pretty damn well imo. It sounds like the album is a mix between The Black Halo and Poetry for the Poisoned, it's got more symphonic elements but the darkness is still there. It's hard to rank it since i've only had the album for two days, but i'd probably rank it fourth, behind The Black Halo, Ghost Opera, and Poetry for the Poisoned. My favorite songs are Torn, Ashes to Ashes, and My Confession.

Also, I think it's weird that in the first Sacrimony video shoot behind the scenes video they played a clip of a song that isn't on this album. I'm assuming it's the japanese bonus track, which I need to track down immediamente.
 
I really liked Silverthorn. Probably the only thing I was a bit disappointed about with this album is that there were only two "power metal-esque" songs (Sacrimony and Solitaire). The album itself is great though, Tommy's voice fits pretty damn well imo. It sounds like the album is a mix between The Black Halo and Poetry for the Poisoned, it's got more symphonic elements but the darkness is still there. It's hard to rank it since i've only had the album for two days, but i'd probably rank it fourth, behind The Black Halo, Ghost Opera, and Poetry for the Poisoned. My favorite songs are Torn, Ashes to Ashes, and My Confession.

Also, I think it's weird that in the first Sacrimony video shoot behind the scenes video they played a clip of a song that isn't on this album. I'm assuming it's the japanese bonus track, which I need to track down immediamente.


So you rank it fourth, behind two albums that also lacked on the "Power Metal-esque songs", but don't consider The Fourth Legacy, Karma and Epica some of their best material, when they're full of these "power metal" songs? That doesn't make sense...