Is the death of the CD looming?

I think, alongside this issue, is the concept of the "album". Kids I talk to today talk about "the new song from Artist X or Artist Z" whereas for me it has always been about the album. I'm waiting for the new album not the new song. Obviously I'm a product of my age like everyone else and come from the "mail order" days in the 80's or queueing outside the local record store (of which there are very few now of course other than the chain stores) on the day an album was due to be released.

Obviously the internet has been a hugely beneficial tool in terms of marketing and promoting music and a fantastic way of making connections with both fans and industry types. I still don't own an iPod and I think the only time I really listen to mp3's is when I'm working on new material and exchanging stuff with the guys in the band or when people send me stuff to check out. Other than that I still cart CD's around with me!

I totally agree with the sound quality comment as well but this doesn't seem to be much of an issue for the majority of folk.

Long live the concept of the album (with the artwork, lyrics, liner notes, photos). I want to know who produced the album, where it was recorded etc without looking it up on the web! lol!
 
Long live the concept of the album (with the artwork, lyrics, liner notes, photos). I want to know who produced the album, where it was recorded etc without looking it up on the web! lol!

I'm with you 100%, very good point I also like looking at all of that too.
 
Saw that same article on CNN as well. It's not that we've become all digital, it's that most of the mainstream music SUCKS with Lady Gag Gag and Ke$hit - and of course rap crap :puke:

If the general public knew the good stuff like we do on the forum with prog and power metal... best underground music that hardly anyone knows about :headbang: :kickass:
 
I will never stop buying CD's as long as they are available. Never purchased a download and don't see myself doing so in the future. Nothing beats the feel of a CD and opening it. Reading the liner notes is awesome. Also the audio quality of a CD is far superior to a MP3 download so I don't see it going for a very long time.
 
I will never stop buying CD's as long as they are available. Never purchased a download and don't see myself doing so in the future. Nothing beats the feel of a CD and opening it. Reading the liner notes is awesome. Also the audio quality of a CD is far superior to a MP3 download so I don't see it going for a very long time.

For the latest TSO album (Night Castle) - if you bought it via MP3 you could download the liner notes in PDF format. I bought it on MP3 first (since it came out in that format first), then later on CD.

So those who say "well with MP3 we miss the liner notes", that excuse will soon no longer work. :D
 
I think, alongside this issue, is the concept of the "album". Kids I talk to today talk about "the new song from Artist X or Artist Z" whereas for me it has always been about the album. I'm waiting for the new album not the new song. Obviously I'm a product of my age like everyone else and come from the "mail order" days in the 80's or queueing outside the local record store (of which there are very few now of course other than the chain stores) on the day an album was due to be released.

Obviously the internet has been a hugely beneficial tool in terms of marketing and promoting music and a fantastic way of making connections with both fans and industry types. I still don't own an iPod and I think the only time I really listen to mp3's is when I'm working on new material and exchanging stuff with the guys in the band or when people send me stuff to check out. Other than that I still cart CD's around with me!

I totally agree with the sound quality comment as well but this doesn't seem to be much of an issue for the majority of folk.

Long live the concept of the album (with the artwork, lyrics, liner notes, photos). I want to know who produced the album, where it was recorded etc without looking it up on the web! lol!

Being a DJ for school dances and other events I would have to say that the reason for most of that thought process is that we've had a truckload of new one-hit wonder artists in this decade. It takes a Fergie, Lady Gagga, Black Eyed Peas or Taylor Swift to sell full albums. For every album of that caliber (meaning sells millions) you have a dozen + Soulja Boys with there one hit flavor of new dance move month songs. If you've heard the rest of these artists' material (see Soulja Boy) you'll understand why the kids only want the 1 song and they tear up the digital charts on Billboard.
 
This topic is getting monotonous...in the mainstream market (note: CNN story) people have been tolling the death knell for the CD for years...because it dropped from 760 MILLION to 320 MILLION...."Oh no!! Only 320 MILLION sold!! We're dying!!!" Sheesh...give me a fucking break. It's not selling as much because there are more options now for acquiring music than there were 10 years ago...

"People are going digital!!" - no shit.

"Illegal downloading...blah blah blah!" - no shit.

Bottom line is that in OUR world (ProgPower, underground Metal, etc) there will be as physical format as long as there are fans...I could give a shit if Taylor Swift or Nickelback stop making CDs and go digital only...as long as I can grab my CD of "Operation: Mindcrime"...
 
For the latest TSO album (Night Castle) - if you bought it via MP3 you could download the liner notes in PDF format. I bought it on MP3 first (since it came out in that format first), then later on CD.

So those who say "well with MP3 we miss the liner notes", that excuse will soon no longer work. :D

I never said that with mp3 I will miss the liner notes. I enjoy opening the CD case and paging through the liner notes with my hands. Sure you can get anything on electronic media and that's great if that's your thing. I like this form of media and will till the day it dies. Remember they still make LP versions are 8 track tapes to this day!
 
funny you mention this. I have all my tapes still from the 80's. Hundreds of them actually. My car still only had a tape player in it so I always had to transfer CD to cassette tape up until last week when my 17 year old car finally died.
My car only has a cassette player, but first I used one of those cassette plug-in adapters for a CD player, now I use one for my iPod. Gave away all my cassettes a few years back, but still have a lot of vinyl from the 70's and 80's. In rough shape, though.

I agree with those who say that CD's will decline but will always be around. I prefer to buy the physical product and upload it to iTunes. Then I store them in a safe place just in case my computer crashes or something. Also, iTunes sometimes f*cks with the format somehow and I have to reload albums.

But I rarely listen to CD's on the stereo anymore. Just plug my iPod into it. And you can't beat the convenience on the road. I remember my last trip to Europe when the hubby and I had won first class plane tix. I looked like a retard in first class with my plethora of CD's in travel cases. Bought the iPod when I got home.
 
Here's another question kinda related. Does anyone still have their casette tapes? :). I still have mind, but I'm torn whether or not I should just throw them away or keep them for memory purposes.....
I mean, who still plays these things?? I know that nobody on ebay would want them.

Hell yes!!! I probably still have over 100 cassettes.
I am not getting rid of them, since what's the most you can score for a non-rare cassette, a quarter? Granted, most of them ARE in my crawlspace, I do give them a look every now and then for memory's sake.

I do have one of those retro table top systems that has a turntable, CD, and tape deck and radio, though it isn't very often I play a tape, unless I get something rare or a demo or something.

When I had my last car which was a 1997, it only had a tape deck so I did still buy used cassettes all the way up to a couple years ago.

I mean it's pretty sweet to go to a used cd store or a flea market or something and score 5 metal cassettes for 2 bucks. Ha!
 
This isn't a new topic, but it's interesting to see it resurface every once in a while, because as time goes on, opinions seem to be slowly shifting. Of all the times I've seen this topic discussed, this one by far has the most people saying that they now buy electronically.

From my perspective, it has some interesting echoes of The Great Vocal-Tolerance Shift which happened around the turn of the century. "I'm not paying for a god damned file on my computer" sounds very much like "I'll never listen to those idiotic cookie-monster vocals!" often heard among prog/power-metal fans in the past. But these days, after a steady drumbeat of threads titled "I bought my first growly-vocaled album, it's awesome, what else like this can you recommend?", the militant anti-cookie-monster faction is now a small minority among prog/power fandom. I see a similar shift underway with music-purchasing habits.

There are lots of people in their late 40's and up that aren't hip to the internet and downloading music let alone paying for it online. They have CD players and will continue to buy CDs.

Sure, but how many? Old + "not hip to the internet" generally means "not buying a whole lot of music". Record labels aren't going to go to the expense of manufacturing CDs if 10,000 people want an electronic format and only 1000 people want CD format. They'll just drop it. So people who want CDs will last longer than CDs will.

I never truely feel like I own a downloaded album (I've yet to buy an internet album).

Maybe that's the problem. Perhaps you should actually try buying an electronic album once. You might be surprised how you feel about it. For me, I totally get a feeling of "ownership" once I pay for an official electronic version of an album that I'd previously downloaded for free. Even if I had the illicit version on my hard drive for months, I'll suddenly start listening to the "official" version way more than I ever sampled the illicit version. Like you, before I actually tried buying an electronic album, I had no idea that there would be a psychological difference for me, but there is. So it's really not that scary! Give it a try sometime, better to do it once now and find out you don't like it, than do it 5 years from now and wonder why the hell you spent years wasting all that money on physical formats.


No artwork or liner notes and lyrics...

All downloads from the major vendors come with artwork these days. But yes, the continued lack of embedded lyrics and credits is the largest deficiency in the format.

Amen, brother. I'm not paying for a god damned file on my computer.

So all your computer software is free/stolen then? The reluctance to pay for "a file" is weird to me. The "file" is what contains the music that you listen to, which, in my mind, is the whole point of buying music. That file used to be stored on a piece of plastic, now it's stored on a piece of magnetized metal or silicon. So what? A refusal to pay for "a file" implies that you place 100% of the value of a CD in the packaging, with no value on the music that the artist has created.

The closest I've ever got to paying for a download was when I donated (voluntarily) a good 10 dollars for one Anathema song... ahha they needed funds to keep working on their album. ahahhahaha

And the insane irony here is that Anathema's new album is one of those (increasingly rare) albums that still is not available via electronic distribution! Argh, what flaming idiots!!!

It's the manufacturers of player devices who decide which media format the masses will prefer.

Huh? No, you say it later yourself, it's the *people* who decide which media format they prefer. The manufacturers give choices, and the people select among them. If people had continued to buy cassettes and cassette players, manufacturers would have continued to make them.

That said, the CD will stay with us for decades, just like vinyl has, because there will always be people who want to use their home studios' capacity to the max and enjoy the music as natural it was meant to be when recorded. This hi-fi level cannot be ever reached with listening packed mp3 files through the pisspoor three-penny earphones that come along iPods and phones.

haha, it's funny to see the CD now venerated so devoutly, when, for years I heard how the "cold, digital sound" with a sampling rate of only 44kHz was inferior to vinyl and then SACD/DVD-Audio.

Anyhow, there is no connection between electronically-distributed music and sound quality. You are not required to listen to mp3s through three-penny earphones. You can listen to them on your expensive stereo just like you listen to CDs, and they sound just as good. Then, if you're a real audio snob, electronic distribution allows much BETTER sound quality than the physically-limited CD. If you want to listen to 96kHz/24-bit recordings, that's a hell of a lot easier to do with electronic downloads than with a physical format, and it's outright impossible with CDs. So the idea that CD's 44kHz/16-bit is some kind of golden standard is just a belief built out of habit, not from a personal search to find the optimal level of audio fidelity for your tastes.

Being a DJ for school dances and other events I would have to say that the reason for most of that thought process is that we've had a truckload of new one-hit wonder artists in this decade.

Were there not one-hit-wonders before this decade?

Neil
 
Ahhhhhh....CD's....the pleasure of first ripping off that pesky cellophane followed by the joy of removing that sticker around the edge of the case. But then, the smell of the freshly printed booklet, the lyrics, pics....awesome! I don't buy anywhere near the amount of CD's I once bought, but then again there isn't any stores around that carry a large inventory of cd's either. As long as cd's exist, I will own that format before a download. Call me old fashioned, that's the way I'll roll.

Now to the flip side. I've supported these bands for many moons, buying the cd's with nary a listen, and I have been burned many times by subpar releases by fly by night bands that disappear as quickly as they arrived on the scene. When cd's become obsolete, here is what I envision; new material gets released by a band. Being from the old school, it just doesn't seem right to pay for a download...there is no actual product in your hand, the hassle of burning a cd is always there, it just doesn't feel the same. So why am I going to go buy a download when I can just as easily find it for free and download it? That way I won't get burned by paying for a lousy product which I don't totally believe in anyway. There will be way more illegal downloading when cd's become obsolete.

Go search online for stereo components. I'm due for an upgrade since my pre-amp died recently, so I started pricing new ones. To my complete and utter shock, Adcom, which has been an incredible product for many years, only offers one pre-amp and two different model power amp's! That's it, that's all!!! I remember buying back in the mid 90's and there was an entire wall full of options. Those days are gone since you don't need a top of the line stereo for a low quality digital download. It's actually pretty sad. I bought my 300 disc changer for $150 about 2 years ago. I remember when they were $500-600!!! The on hand inventory's needed to be eliminated, so I got a deal(I actually bought 2, one is still in the box, lol). The world is changing, and not in a good way IMHO.

OK, I've lost the point of this response, so I will exit stage left and just read what everybody else says
 
I went into my external hard drive and counted the folders of cd's that I have, just out of curiosity. Out of the 585 cd's currently on my hard drive, 557 of them were ripped from the actual cd...95.2 %. The others were downloaded, 12 of which are on my shopping list for progpower11. I still believe that the bands deserve to be paid for their art, so if I download something, I either put it on my list to buy or I delete it as soon as I realize that it sucks.

Just wanted to clarify that I don't believe in the "I've downloaded 40,000 cd's which I'll never listen to, but they're free, so...." mentality that seems to run rampant on the internet these days. It's so easy to just steal it without paying for it, and that's where the downfall of the music industry started.
 
And Zod, I'm in 100% agreement with you. The actual physical cd has much more meaning to me than a file on my PC, which will ultimately become corrupt or lost when the hard drive dies anyways.
 
I would doubt it. MY sense of ownership comes from slipping that CD into one of my racks, in its appropriate slot alphabetically.

I agree.

Also on a side note....along with the death of CD....will this also be the death of intro tracks? Who would buy even for 99 cents an intro track??? Unless you bought the whole album through a digital download. Who would even pay 99 cents for the intro?? Maybe there are some who would but I think lots would not.
 
All downloads from the major vendors come with artwork these days. But yes, the continued lack of embedded lyrics and credits is the largest deficiency in the format.

Neil

This is my one remaining issue with the electronic purchace. I want there to be a standard that when you purchase an album electronically it comes with everything I would get if I purchased a store bought CD. The price should still be much cheaper than a store bought cd because of the lack of a case, paper, cd, etc. $10 is what it should cost .. or less even.

Apple is trying to sell the digital album idea with a pdf or the lyrics and notes, and it just doesn't work with say .. an ipod touch .. not easily at least. Plus they are charging too much money for it in my opinion, or at least last time I checked it seemed a little steep.

Currently I add lyrics to my files via a 3rd party .. forgot the name, but it sucks. It's wrong more often than not, but at least I can easily see the lyrics by tapping the screen on my Ipod Touch. As far as I know though there is no good way to pull up liner notes, extra artwork, etc.



Britt
 
For the latest TSO album (Night Castle) - if you bought it via MP3 you could download the liner notes in PDF format. I bought it on MP3 first (since it came out in that format first), then later on CD.

So those who say "well with MP3 we miss the liner notes", that excuse will soon no longer work. :D

I know what you're saying, but getting digital liner notes apposed to the real thing in your hands are two different things. It just isn't the same.