Sanctuary reforming?

[ICEDEARTHFAN]

That's an interesting thought. However, did Pantera actually actually bridge the gap to where we are today? I'll admit, despite Pantera, I lost track of Metal through the late 90s, so I'm certainly not going to debate the point. I'll merely suggest, it seems more like Metal did in fact die in the 90s, and slowly reemerged from the grave.

Slowly emerging from the grave is a good way to put it IMO.Maybe Pantera were the caretakers of the grave inside the "Cementery Gates" while waiting for the re-emergence

 

[rms]

Warrel posted on the Nevermore board saying he can hit the high notes, but why would he in 2010? So since vocals were mainly the sweetest fucking thing about any clean singing, thrash/heavy/power band in the 80s I am already losing interest.

And Pantera started the worst thing in metal come on bruthas.

And there's probably more good 70s rock bands than 90s and 00s bands everyone knows that whats wrong with you guys

 

[eppst1]

• Sanctuary could have been a household name in metal if ITMB didn't come out when grunge was being hatched. If they were stil together, with the direction they were heading, could be mentioned in the same breath as Fates or DT, but heavier.

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  I agree with you 100%. And that's why I don't think it's really fair to compare Sanctuary to Nevermore for who is "better". Sanctuary (IMO) never was really allowed to hit their stride because they were around for such a short period of time. Looking at the body of work both bands produced, I would probably choose Nevermore as my favorite. But if I had to pick a favorite disc, it would be Mirror Black by a large margin.
  Will the new Sanctuary sound the same? Maybe. But didn't Rutledge most of Sanctuary's tuneage, while Loomis writes a majority of Nevermore's stuff? That itselm might make things different musically anyway. But what's better then having both bands around making music?

 

[J. Golden]

And there's probably more good 70s rock bands than 90s and 00s bands everyone knows that whats wrong with you guys

No argument there, the 70s was the best period for rock music excluding rock's birth the decade gave rock everything it would need. I will stop their and say no more, this time I'm not going to argue just for the sake of arguing. HAHA

 

[J. Golden]

well, you would think.

 

[nomisofsiman]

And Pantera started the worst thing in metal come on bruthas.

I highly disagree. Pantera was a fantastic band with a lot of talent. It was very heavy, yes but it did not start the worst thing in metal. While I like them, you could argue that Korn was as they started the whole nu metal thing (though I would still say glam is the worst thing ever to happen to metal). Pantera was NOT nu metal. Not even close. I would argue that Pantera and Sepultura were the only real METAL bands that were consistent through most of the 90s. Maybe you could say Slayer never sold out, but most of their 90s material wasn't earth shattering.

 

[nomisofsiman]

Warrel posted on the Nevermore board saying he can hit the high notes, but why would he in 2010? So since vocals were mainly the sweetest fucking thing about any clean singing, thrash/heavy/power band in the 80s I am already losing interest.

We shall see about that. Like I said I am intrigued, but I am not holding my breath in it having the same sound.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

I highly disagree. Pantera was a fantastic band with a lot of talent. It was very heavy, yes but it did not start the worst thing in metal. While I like them, you could argue that Korn was as they started the whole nu metal thing (though I would still say glam is the worst thing ever to happen to metal). Pantera was NOT nu metal. Not even close. I would argue that Pantera and Sepultura were the only real METAL bands that were consistent through most of the 90s. Maybe you could say Slayer never sold out, but most of their 90s material wasn't earth shattering.

*cough ANNIHILATOR WAS CONSISTENT AS FUCK *cough

 

[Creeps]

I agree with you 100%. And that's why I don't think it's really fair to compare Sanctuary to Nevermore for who is "better". Sanctuary (IMO) never was really allowed to hit their stride because they were around for such a short period of time. Looking at the body of work both bands produced, I would probably choose Nevermore as my favorite. But if I had to pick a favorite disc, it would be Mirror Black by a large margin.
Will the new Sanctuary sound the same? Maybe. But didn't Rutledge most of Sanctuary's tuneage, while Loomis writes a majority of Nevermore's stuff? That itselm might make things different musically anyway. But what's better then having both bands around making music?

I'd have to give the nod to Refuge Denied as being my favorite album form both camps. It just holds a special "holy shit did you hear that?" place in my heart when I first bought the cassette back in '87.

Warrel has always been "meh" on doing an over abundance of high notes. I'm a sucker for them and get upset when I don't at least hear ONE on a Nevermore release (see Obsidian Conspiracy for current example). I still love the music, don't get me wrong, bu damn man, throw me a bone now & then.

If there are no highs in a new Sanctuary release I'll be VERY upset. Don't get me started on the possibility of a tour without them highs as well .

As far as "why would I in 2010?", I could go on and on, but I'll sum it up for you Mr. Dane in one simple statement, and I'm thinking of making a bumper sticker...

"Because Rob Halford does."

 

[nomisofsiman]

*cough ANNIHILATOR WAS CONSISTENT AS FUCK *cough

True. I will give you that. Will you stop making me agree with you? Ugh.

 

[Jasonic]

I would argue that Pantera and Sepultura were the only real METAL bands that were consistent through most of the 90s.

Dude,
I know you are fairly new to metal, but this might be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this forum.

First off, I won't even bother to comment on Pantera. Their 90s output was MTV tough guy metal for jocks. If anyone likes them, well then good for them. Their sound altered certainly though from CFH through their last one.

Secondly, Sepultura. You realize their 90s albums were Arise through Against? That includes the highly commercial Chaos AD, as well as the very modern / nu metal Roots. I don't think any fan, nor any member of the band itself, would agree that they were consistent in the 90s.

Finally, you 100% fail to even consider what was going on in the underground during the 90s. Right off the bat, let's take better known underground metal bands, in Blind Guardian and Iced Earth.

I will gladly pit BG and IE's output in the 90's to your PANTERA and SEPULTURA in a battle of who was more consistent.

Sorry bro. I am usually pretty easy on you, chalking it up to inexperience, when you say something out of left field, but this one I can't ignore.

Please take it as constructive criticism, and nothing personal.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

Dude,
I know you are fairly new to metal, but this might be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this forum.

First off, I won't even bother to comment on Pantera. Their 90s output was MTV tough guy metal for jocks. If anyone likes them, well then good for them. Their sound altered certainly though from CFH through their last one.

Secondly, Sepultura. You realize their 90s albums were Arise through Against? That includes the highly commercial Chaos AD, as well as the very modern / nu metal Roots. I don't think any fan, nor any member of the band itself, would agree that they were consistent in the 90s.

Finally, you 100% fail to even consider what was going on in the underground during the 90s. Right off the bat, let's take better known underground metal bands, in Blind Guardian and Iced Earth.

I will gladly pit BG and IE's output in the 90's to your PANTERA and SEPULTURA in a battle of who was more consistent.

Sorry bro. I am usually pretty easy on you, chalking it up to inexperience, when you say something out of left field, but this one I can't ignore.

Please take it as constructive criticism, and nothing personal.

Um... I know what you're trying to say here, about Sepultura at least, but Arise is one of my favorite albums... It slays from start to finish. Now, you can bitch about most of the other 90s output from Sep all you want, and I think that was the point you were trying to make. As for Pantera, call them what you will, but as far as America was concerned, they were one of the few bands still flying the flag for metal and keeping the faith alive. You might not personally like them, but they were doing a hell of a lot more for metal in the states during the 90s than say, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Candlemass, or any of the like.

 

[Jasonic]

Re-read my post.

I pointed out that Simon 100% ignored the underground.
He made the statement that Pantera and Sepultura were the only REAL metal bands who were consistent in the 90s. By saying "real" metal bands, this would have to include his analysis of underground metal.

That's great if you like ARISE. My point was that Sepultura's studio output was anything BUT consistent in the 90s. It had nothing to do with whether or not it was good. Maybe some forgot that Max actually LEFT Sepultura during this time?????

Stay on topic. It's not about how good or not the band was. We are speaking of consistency of the music.

 

[Jasonic]

Also, I think Priest and Maiden did a VERY good job of trying to keep metal alive in the 90s. Were you in the scene in the 90s?

While many bands gave up, BOTH Priest and Maiden swallowed their pride and continued to tour in the States playing smaller clubs and theaters. Both bands during this time brought out both newer bands and older bands as openers, such as WASP, DIO, MONSTER MAGNET, CLUTCH, etc.

Many European bands during the time completely ignored the States during this period.

So, sorry, I have to disagree with you regarding Maiden and Priest in the 90s.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

Re-read my post.

I pointed out that Simon 100% ignored the underground.
He made the statement that Pantera and Sepultura were the only REAL metal bands who were consistent in the 90s. By saying "real" metal bands, this would have to include his analysis of underground metal.

That's great if you like ARISE. My point was that Sepultura's studio output was anything BUT consistent in the 90s. It had nothing to do with whether or not it was good. Maybe some forgot that Max actually LEFT Sepultura during this time?????

Stay on topic. It's not about how good or not the band was. We are speaking of consistency of the music.

Fair enough, but also, I have always been curious to know. What really happened to metal in the 90s?

Obviously, other than the few chosen ones that really carried the torch during the 90s in the US, what happened in Europe? It seems to me, that metal got much bigger in Europe during this time. Not necessarily popularity wise, but the scope of it definitely widened into more sub-genres and the like. I would be interested to hear a few Europeans give their input on what happened to them during this time.

 

[Metalmilitia2000]

Also, I think Priest and Maiden did a VERY good job of trying to keep metal alive in the 90s. Were you in the scene in the 90s?

While many bands gave up, BOTH Priest and Maiden swallowed their pride and continued to tour in the States playing smaller clubs and theaters. Both bands during this time brought out both newer bands and older bands as openers, such as WASP, DIO, MONSTER MAGNET, CLUTCH, etc.

Many European bands during the time completely ignored the States during this period.

So, sorry, I have to disagree with you regarding Maiden and Priest in the 90s.

As for Priest and Maiden in the 90s, I didn't say they did nothing for the scene. Both of them lost very high profile frontmen, and instead of hanging it up, they soldiered on with different, and much less successful vocalists. I never said that their lack of continued impact on the metal scene in the 90s was for lack of trying, hell, Painkiller came out in 91 and it's my all time favorite album. I love both Ripper Priest albums and I like both Blaze Maiden albums, although I think that X-Factor is better. I simply said that Pantera did more for the scene by kind of holding it together during that time, than the 2 aforementioned bands. Does that mean that I like Pantera more? Hell no, Priest is my all time favorite band, and Maiden is in my top 5, but their careers were winding down temporarily during that time, while Pantera was stepping up to the plate and grabbing the baton to continue on in the marathon of metal.

 

[Jasonic]

Fair enough, but also, I have always been curious to know. What really happened to metal in the 90s?

Well, you hit the nail on the head before.
Few bands were carrying the torch, and altered their sound just to stay afloat. This included everyone from Metallica (duh), Anthrax, Slayer, and even Testament and I HATE to say this, but Motorhead. Overkill is one US band who truly stuck to their guns, off the top of my head.

Lots of the euro bands who had success in the 80s and early 90s, seemed to go into obscurity here in the States. Keep in mind this was LONG before the internet. So, where before you might be able to find an album by Helloween, Sodom, Kreator, Destruction, Grave Digger, Running Wild, etc at retail outlets in the states, that wasn't such the case in the 90s. MANY of those bands, if not all, had some titles with ZERO distribution in the States during the 90s. I know for me personally, I never knew certain albums by Helloween (IE - Pink Bubbles and Chameleon) or Destruction (IE - the ones with a different vocalist), even existed until many years later.

Conversely, many long running US bands had albums that were released by non-US labels! OMEN is one example. I am sure I could think of others.

Speaking for myself, I actually got out of metal for a while during the 90s. I bet it would have been a different scenario if the internet were around, as it would be easier to keep up on these bands!

 

[Jasonic]

while Pantera was stepping up to the plate and grabbing the baton to continue on in the marathon of metal.

Yeah, though the difference is that most who were into underground metal coming out of the 80s and into the 90s, never viewed Pantera as being part of the metal scene. That was MTV stuff. They attracted the attention mostly of the new school Metallica fans of the time. Not many Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Vio-Lence, Coroner, etc fans dug that stuff.

Most of the underground thrash fans gravitated to the oncoming death metal scene here in the States. You had Chicago bands like Broken Hope, Cianide, and Devastation. I don't even need to tell you what was going on in Florida!

 

[nomisofsiman]

Dude,
I know you are fairly new to metal, but this might be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this forum.

First off, I won't even bother to comment on Pantera. Their 90s output was MTV tough guy metal for jocks. If anyone likes them, well then good for them. Their sound altered certainly though from CFH through their last one.

Secondly, Sepultura. You realize their 90s albums were Arise through Against? That includes the highly commercial Chaos AD, as well as the very modern / nu metal Roots. I don't think any fan, nor any member of the band itself, would agree that they were consistent in the 90s.

Finally, you 100% fail to even consider what was going on in the underground during the 90s. Right off the bat, let's take better known underground metal bands, in Blind Guardian and Iced Earth.

I will gladly pit BG and IE's output in the 90's to your PANTERA and SEPULTURA in a battle of who was more consistent.

Sorry bro. I am usually pretty easy on you, chalking it up to inexperience, when you say something out of left field, but this one I can't ignore.

Please take it as constructive criticism, and nothing personal.

I wouldn't say I'm fairly new to metal. Maybe compared to you but anyways. Look at my response to metal militia's post. That explains what I meant. I was pretty unclear in my initial post. Oopsies. Also, I will admit that consistent wasn't necessarily the best word I could've used there.

As far as Priest and Maiden goes...I would say they were still decent in the VERY EARLY part of the 90s but when both Halford and Dickinson left, they were not. I did like some of the Blaze output for Maiden, but I absolutely hated those Priest albums with Rippier. He's one of my favorite vocalists but those albums were piss poor in terms of quality songs.

During this time, I will fully admit I didn't know and didn't know how to get into underground metal. By no means did I mean that there wasn't any good metal period both here and overseas in metal made, and yes you are right the BG and Iced Earth output is better.

Don't worry I don't take hardly anything personal.

Um... I know what you're trying to say here, about Sepultura at least, but Arise is one of my favorite albums... It slays from start to finish. Now, you can bitch about most of the other 90s output from Sep all you want, and I think that was the point you were trying to make. As for Pantera, call them what you will, but as far as America was concerned, they were one of the few bands still flying the flag for metal and keeping the faith alive. You might not personally like them, but they were doing a hell of a lot more for metal in the states during the 90s than say, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Candlemass, or any of the like.

This is mostly what I meant. In terms of metal bands being successful or semi-successful in the states. I should've been more clear on that. Also, I will admit that consistent wasn't necessarily the best word I could've used.

 

[Jasonic]

That's cool.
I suppose I feel clarification that when you are discussing PANTERA and SEPULTURA, that's pretty mainstream stuff.....

Just offends this here Manilla Road fan quite a bit!

Glad you didn't take offense.